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Old 12-05-2006, 11:25 AM
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I'm thinking about getting my nephew a basic rachet set from Snap-on. I've checked their website and they offer the sets with both 6pt and 12pt sockets. I'm really not sure what the differance is, other than one has 6pts and the other has 12pts. Can anyone tell me what the different uses are and which would be more useful for general automotive use? Appreciate any help, Thanks.
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I heard where Ellen DeGeneres is their new spokesperson.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:34 AM
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6 pt sockets are less prone to rounding off the points of the nut/bolt head because it grabs the entire flat of the object.

12 pt sockets only grab the ends near the points. 12's also get onto the object quicker because it does not need perfect alignment with the flats like a 6 does. A 6 pt aligns every 60 degrees. A 12 does it every 30.

Buy him both.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:44 AM
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What Mist-Rest said, except they both can round off the corners. It’s just that after the corner is rounded, the 6-pt socket can still get a hold on the hex, the 12-pt may or may not.

I use 12-pt for almost everything, but I have a handful of 6-pt sockets for the really common sizes that gets used only when something is really tight and needs to be broken free. It’s more for knuckle insurance than anything else.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:59 AM
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Can I be your nephew this Christmas? ....I've been super extra good this year!

I have to ask a question first........will those sockets be 3/8 drive or 1/4 or 3/4" drive sockets?

I would second what Rob said if we are talking 3/8" drive. Also I would add, I've cracked an awful lot more 12 point sockets then I ever have 6 pointers, therefore I would have to say 6 point sockets are stronger, but I have cracked 6 point sockets as well.

IMO the question really isn't do you buy your nephew 6 or 12 point sockets, it would be what length do you buy him. If I were buying for myself I would buy 6 point deep sockets and 6 & 12 point shallow sockets.....I've never seen the need of 12 point deep sockets.

1/4" drive I would go with 6p. deep and 6 & 12p. shallow.
3/4" drive I would go with 6p. deep and 6p. shallow.

So were you thinking of buying a ratchet to go along with those sockets? You know ratchets comes with different gearing, right?
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Ummm,

I may be wrong here... But aren't 12 point sockets meant to be used on 12 point nuts and bolt heads? You are not supposed to use a 12 point socket on a six sided nut or bolt they will round it off they don't grab it correctly. But use a 12 point on a 12 point bolt or nut and you basically can't round it off. 12 point nuts and bolts are not very common at all in the regular automotive industry, mainly your head bolts, main bolts and headder bolts on high performance vehicles where more torque is required would be a 12 point.

I would imagine heavy machinery uses lots of 12 points in high torque areas.

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StingerII - 12/5/2006 1:10 PM

Ummm,

I may be wrong here... But aren't 12 point sockets meant to be used on 12 point nuts and bolt heads? You are not supposed to use a 12 point socket on a six sided nut or bolt they will round it off they don't grab it correctly. But use a 12 point on a 12 point bolt or nut and you basically can't round it off. 12 point nuts and bolts are not very common at all in the regular automotive industry, mainly your head bolts, main bolts and headder bolts on high performance vehicles where more torque is required would be a 12 point.

I would imagine heavy machinery uses lots of 12 points in high torque areas.
I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but on all accounts, that's news to me. And I'd be hard pressed to think one could get more torque out of 12 point socket over a 6.
Don't think I've ever seen a 12 point nut or bolt!
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Hi Uncle Jerome! [img]../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif[/img] Anything that says Snap-On is fine by me! [img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:27 PM
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Garett,

Well...... Now you have!



What can handle more torque, a course or fine threaded bolt? (Answer: Fine Thread) same goes for the heads of bolts a 12 Point is used where high amounts of torque are applied to the fastner, also one of the reasons the general "quality" of the fastner it's self is better on a 12 point, usually Stainless Steel or Case Harened and Carburized Steel or a high quality Alloy.


This is what Wikipedia has to say about 6 vs. 12 Pt.

" * 6-point vs 12-point

Modern nuts and bolt heads are made with hexagonal gripping surfaces and as such limit the number of positions a wrench can adopt when placed over them. When working in a confined area with limited turning space, 12-point sockets double the number of starting positions. If the nut or bolt is damaged then 6-point sockets are preferred since they offer a better grip with less chance of slipping."


For the record I beleive that is incorrect.... I beleive that's what most people "think" the difference is between 6 and 12...

When in doubt just buy Flank Drive! That's the way to go, Flank Drive Sockets and Wrenches grab a faster's head on it's flats not on it's points, making it nearly impossible to round.



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SIM - 12/5/2006 12:07 PM

Hi Uncle Jerome! [img]../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif[/img] Anything that says Snap-On is fine by me! [img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
I knew a midget chick that had a Snap-On tattoo


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Shag - 12/5/2006 11:31 AM

I heard where Ellen DeGeneres is their new spokesperson.
I guess Billy Jean King relinquished her title as spokesperson?

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Shag - 12/5/2006 11:31 AM

I heard where Ellen DeGeneres is their new spokesperson.
I guess Billy Jean King relinquished her title as spokesperson?
Just trying to modernize the joke a bit.

I guess we could insert Rosie O'Donuthole. (no pun intended)
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Hi Uncle Jerome! [img]../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif[/img] Anything that says Snap-On is fine by me! [img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
I knew a midget chick that had a Snap-On tattoo


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Hi Uncle Jerome! [img]../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif[/img] Anything that says Snap-On is fine by me! [img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
I knew a midget chick that had a Snap-On tattoo


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I thought he was serious. It kind of made me a little hot and bothered, the thought of a midget chick with a tattoo ...



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Old 12-05-2006, 08:33 PM
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while 12 point's are a lot quicker to hook up, which is handy in a tight spot, if I was going to choose to have one or the other, it would definitely be the 6 point. They tend to be much less prone to damaging old rusty fasteners.
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StingerII,

Even as I wrote what it is that I wrote I was picturing those bolts, but I wasn't firing on all cylinders to apply the grey matter to count the side of what it was that I was visualizing. At the time I was thinking those were possibly 10 sided decagons??? Thanks for the pic.
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Old 12-06-2006, 07:17 AM
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Thanks alot for the feedback. Sounds like the 6pt is the way to go and let him fill in as time goes on. Pretty sure I'm going to go with the 3/8 drive.
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Sometimes a 12 point socket will fit a 4 sided nut/bolt. BTW, Degeneres is building a new house...no studs, all tongue in groove...
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....all tounge and groove.

I LIKE THAT !

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I the heavy equip business we back up all our socket sets with a big pipewrench and cheater bar as a last resort.
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