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Old 12-03-2006, 09:06 AM
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Just wondering how much we all do ourselves; vs. having the "pros" do it. I love trying to do things that i've never done. Right now, I just picked up a truck cap for my truck. Not the same color. We have an automotive paint company that will match the paint and put it in spray cans. Now I have friends and family telling me to have someone shoot it for me. They tell me I probably can't do it. That's a challenge of the first order!
Last summer on the boat [18' CC] I swapped the bilge pump and auto switch; installed Bennett Tabs; installed phantom VHF with antenna and GPS. CC and bilge on a small boat are no fun for a 60 year old, but the work was done and everything looks and works fine.
Personally, I get a lot of satisfaction out of doing it myself. Part of it is the money saved; but I think just being able to DIY is the best.
So, how much do you all have done vs. DIY?
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Old 12-03-2006, 09:26 AM
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Since my only concern is for my boat to be working properly I normally resort to PAP....pay a pro. I derive little satisfaction from spending hours to fix something a pro can repair in a fraction of that time. Maybe I would feel differently if my boat was close by and not on a rack in a marina located 250 miles away from my house.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:32 AM
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Magnitude comes into play.

If you were spraying some of those plastic vent visors to keep the rain out of your truck windows so they'll match your truck......git-r-done.

Painting an entire cap with a spray bomb???...............I'd suggest letting a shop do it. It'll come out looking like the truck if they do it.
If you do it, theres a good chance it'll come out looking like something you bought at a garage sale, and tried to paint to match your truck.

The above is not a criticism of your prowness in bed, and or your good looks.
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Old 12-03-2006, 01:09 PM
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The only concern I would have is the spray can thing. You can have some serious drips and runs if not careful. If I were going to do that project (and it's just me) I would go and buy a pot and hook it to a compressor or buy one of the electric wagner power sprayers. A spray can don't go very far. Just my opinion.

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Old 12-03-2006, 02:16 PM
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Painting is pretty easy to screw things up. There is no general rule of thumb when it comes to DIY so you must take each one on a case by case basis. Asking questions ahead of time is far easier than asking for help in how to fix the mess you have created.
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I agree with the PAP approach. Mostly, because I don't have the time.

I enjoy maintaining my boats/engines/vehicles, and do the majority of that. I LOVE modifying them too, but depending on what it is (supercharged skateboard, for instance ) I get a pro. Same with home remodeling, etc. I enjoy doing it, but can pay a pro to have it done in 5 days, vs. 5 months for me to get it done in my "spare" time.

I don't know how capable you may or may not be, jaydon, but I can say that "virtually everyone" who has never painted a front cap before will blow it. Have a shop paint it.

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Having sprayed automotive paint before I can attest to the fact that without the right equipment you will be disatisfied with the results. alot of variables go into a paint project of that size. and aerosol cans are just not up to it.
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:39 PM
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I've worked around guys who spray paint for living, and at times they have even allowed me to try my hand at. On every occasion my work had to be cleaned up done over, because even my best efforts turned out to be disasterous.
A good spray painter is indeed an artist.
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Old 12-03-2006, 05:07 PM
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Depending on the task.....Around the house I might as well do it myself...spent all Sat afternoon fixing all the crap the last Bozo did last year after house was hit by lightning. Still have a decent sized list that has to be done soon.
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Old 12-03-2006, 05:47 PM
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I love to do stuff myself, but unless you know about automotive paint, I would leave that one completely alone. I'm lucky and have a good friend that does it for a living, and has a downdraft booth at his house, I've tried my hand at it a couple of times, needless to say, leave this one to the pro's. Laying down the paint is not the difficult part usually, it is knowing how to mix the solvents with the paint for the current conditions, where to start & stop your edges to get a uniform look, adjusting your gun, ect that take skill & experience.
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I think I often take for granted that I can do lots of things your average consumer in the US can't or won't do...

By the time I was 16 I had built my own 600 horsepower Pro Street car, and that included CCing combustion chambers, doing mild port work to the intake and exhaust runners plus valve bowls, port matching the headders to the heads and the intake to the heads, degreeing the camshaft, checking piston to valve clearances, working the carburator over (more than just your standart change jets...).

I have sucessfully hung dry wall, spackeled, strung wiring, mounted outlets, hung lights, added breakers, moved the service entry (did have help from a cert'd electrician for that) do my own plumbing work, installed my own hot water tank, hung my own garage doors, installed new computerized thermostats on my line voltage (220) baseboard heaters etc.

As far as the boat goes, there is nothing I can't do on it.. I've done major gel work to fix the original owners ouchies, done all the maintence, installed all the electronics. And to top it off I also work with computers day in, day out so there isn't much I can't do with your typical PC or even a Mainframe.

I am blessed because all of the mechanical knowledge was passed on to my by my fantastic Father (Thanks Dad!) and my Grandfather when he was with us (Thanks Pap, miss ya!)

The electronics knowledge is just something I lust after, I love learning new things and I have been messing around with computers for a very long time as well.

I am LUCKY!



As for painting....

Smaller items sure a custom mixed paint bomb is fine. I added Lund Step Mates, Lund Moon Visors and stuff to my old trucks and I had single stage paints mixed and put into aerosol cans and did the prep work right and had fantastic results. But I would not want to spray an entire hard tonneau cover or a truck cap with cans it would be too time consuming, too hard to get good even coverage and it probably would cost as much in materials as what a good body guy could shoot it for with the big gun

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StingerII - 12/3/2006 7:55 PM

I think I often take for granted that I can do lots of things your average consumer in the US can't or won't do...

By the time I was 16 I had built my own 600 horsepower Pro Street car, and that included CCing combustion chambers, doing mild port work to the intake and exhaust runners plus valve bowls, port matching the headders to the heads and the intake to the heads, degreeing the camshaft, checking piston to valve clearances, working the carburator over (more than just your standart change jets...).

I have sucessfully hung dry wall, spackeled, strung wiring, mounted outlets, hung lights, added breakers, moved the service entry (did have help from a cert'd electrician for that) do my own plumbing work, installed my own hot water tank, hung my own garage doors, installed new computerized thermostats on my line voltage (220) baseboard heaters etc.

As far as the boat goes, there is nothing I can't do on it.. I've done major gel work to fix the original owners ouchies, done all the maintence, installed all the electronics. And to top it off I also work with computers day in, day out so there isn't much I can't do with your typical PC or even a Mainframe.

I am blessed because all of the mechanical knowledge was passed on to my by my fantastic Father (Thanks Dad!) and my Grandfather when he was with us (Thanks Pap, miss ya!)

The electronics knowledge is just something I lust after, I love learning new things and I have been messing around with computers for a very long time as well.

I am LUCKY!



As for painting....

Smaller items sure a custom mixed paint bomb is fine. I added Lund Step Mates, Lund Moon Visors and stuff to my old trucks and I had single stage paints mixed and put into aerosol cans and did the prep work right and had fantastic results. But I would not want to spray an entire hard tonneau cover or a truck cap with cans it would be too time consuming, too hard to get good even coverage and it probably would cost as much in materials as what a good body guy could shoot it for with the big gun
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Old 12-03-2006, 09:14 PM
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Al,

See I've never done that! I'd probably use a shotgun and then have to remodel where ever it was....

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the difference between paint in a spray can and paint you put in a spray gun is the pressure a spray gun uses allot more air pressure which thins out the paint (finer spray) which means less chance of it running, paint in a spray can comes out a little thicker due to the lack of air pressure which if not careful can cause running, when it comes to doing things around the house I do everything myself electrical, plumbing, heating, a/c, carpentry etc I cant see paying someone to do the same quality job myself and save a ton of cash
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Can you paint with a shotgun?

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I guess i'll pay to get it done. I'm just one of those who hates to admit I can't do it myself. We bought our house unfinished and finished it ourselves. Wired the second floor and rec room. Drywall, paint, landscaped [no plumbing, though]. Old cars, love 'em. Did an MGBGT and built a CRX racer.
But, I guess painting will have to be put in the box with plumbing.
Can I still paint the bottom next spring?
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:09 AM
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Snapper Head - 12/3/2006 10:05 PM

Can you paint with a shotgun?

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Absolutely but the spray isn't as even...
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Old 12-04-2006, 04:02 PM
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I DIY'd 100% of the B20 project except the engine install. I'll NEVER paint another boat. It came out fine, but it was a chore getting there. The B25 has a date with an AwlGrip pro...

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Old 12-18-2006, 10:29 PM
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I wonít bore you by duplicating Stinger!!s post but thatís me in a nut shell. If I do it myself then I know itís done right.

Contracted to have a 30Ď X 40Ď boat barn built, had to go behind them every day to correct all the mistakes and shoddy work. Did all the electrical, plumbing and insulation work myself.

This sign below is hanging in my workshop.



Bought a hull, built the boat the exactly way I wanted it. Really enjoyed the whole project.





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Old 12-19-2006, 12:25 PM
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I was a big diyer to save cash and also to make sure it is done right. But, after my angioplasty last month, my attitude has changed a little. Now, I am willing to pay to have it done as long as the pro does a job at least as good as I would have. As step one, I am paying to have my Whaler damage done by a pro:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/t...ode=1#M1181417

Wish me luck in my new era!
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