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Old 04-15-2020, 06:56 AM
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Why farmers are dumping their milk
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if the demand for milk is way down, im going to bet the demand for cheese is way down as well! im sure the cheese makers have all the surplus they need right now as well!

also you cant just stop milking, they have to be milked twice a day regardless of any conditions.
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Consumer level milk demand is up, however institutional use is down significantly. Most notably schools. There simply isn't packaging infrastructure in place to repurpose it for retail sale by the gallon/etc. Nor is there shelf space in grocery stores to handle alternate packaging types in most cases.

One of my roommates at Clemson operates a large dairy in GA, and they are getting hit hard, but are thankfully diversified into several other farm operations as well.
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So the cows are pumping and dumping? They must have had more than two cocktails, at least that's the metric my wife uses.

I think.
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The same issue is happening with produce. No pickers in the field. No way to shift distribution to retail. Crops being plowed under.

And meat. Poultry especially already.
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The list of reasons we need to open back up grows longer every day.
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Hasn't the U.S. government been buying milk and dumping it since WWI??
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Its not just milk. We are just finishing our 2020 maple season in Vermont. All the expenses have been paid out (equipment, labor, materials, etc. ) The sugarhouse is full of barrels of maple syrup. Our biggest bulk buyers are on hold from purchasing. On the bright side we can store the syrup for a long time can't do that with milk.
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Originally Posted by padidvr View Post
Its not just milk. We are just finishing our 2020 maple season in Vermont. All the expenses have been paid out (equipment, labor, materials, etc. ) The sugarhouse is full of barrels of maple syrup. Our biggest bulk buyers are on hold from purchasing. On the bright side we can store the syrup for a long time can't do that with milk.
How long is maple syrup shelf stable in bottles? Wouldn't mind stocking up a bit if there is a price drop.
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Originally Posted by padidvr View Post
Its not just milk. We are just finishing our 2020 maple season in Vermont. All the expenses have been paid out (equipment, labor, materials, etc. ) The sugarhouse is full of barrels of maple syrup. Our biggest bulk buyers are on hold from purchasing. On the bright side we can store the syrup for a long time can't do that with milk.
I’ll take some....
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
How long is maple syrup shelf stable in bottles? Wouldn't mind stocking up a bit if there is a price drop.
If maple syrup is bottled and stored correctly it would last for years. Has to be hot packed, kept away from heat. Once opened it will have to be refrigerated. Our syrup right now is all in 40 gallon stainless steel barrels.
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Originally Posted by padidvr View Post
Our syrup right now is all in 40 gallon stainless steel barrels.
Got a good source for those at a reasonable price? The barrels, not syrup.
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No thanks. It's CNN.
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Originally Posted by NCSUboater View Post
The list of reasons we need to open back up grows longer every day.
And the longer it goes on, the harder climbing out of this hole will be. We are in uncharted territory, and have zero idea how long it will take.

States paying out record unemployment while taking in minimal taxes are going to be a huge problem. Poverty, suicide, crime, and other downstream monetary issues will kill more than CV19.

A lot of businesses will not be back. For the ones that do, it will take a while for them to have enough cash flow to get staff remotely close to where it was pre-shutdown.

Everything I see will point to more conservative spending in the future, which will slow the comeback.

The states and politicians that seem to want to pad their exposure to get more federal money aren't helping things.


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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Got a good source for those at a reasonable price? The barrels, not syrup.
I believe the stainless barrels are about $190 each new from the local maple dealers. Less when you buy more than 10 at a time. You can buy them used in the off season for 1/2 that on local craigslist. You want to make a still?
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Originally Posted by padidvr View Post
I believe the stainless barrels are about $190 each new from the local maple dealers. Less when you buy more than 10 at a time. You can buy them used in the off season for 1/2 that on local craigslist. You want to make a still?
Ferment stuff. Ciders, mead, etc. I help out at my local brew pub a bit and looking to expand capacity a bit for some stuff that turns slower without tying up conical fermenters that are needed for faster turning beers. Budget being a concern...now more so than ever. Brew system is pretty small (3 barrel) so turning batches is key to keeping all 30 taps flowing.
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Cheese stores better than milk.
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Originally Posted by alligatorgar View Post
Cheese stores better than milk.
and if those sotrages are all full due to lack of demand? where do you store it? im sure the dairy farmers would love to sell it to the cheese makers even at a discounted price vs dumping it! if the cheese guys are not buying, the dairy does not have many options.

dairy farmers are not cheese makers.
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Originally Posted by alligatorgar View Post
Cheese stores better than milk.
Really depends on what kind of cheese and then there is UHT milk....
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Only so much you can do with it. Demand is down. Restaurants are closed, or carryout/ delivery only. Demand is low on certain styles of cheeses, fresh mozzarella being one. We need to keep our producers in business, or they won't be there when we come out of this mess. You simply cannot turn a cow off. Culling the herd is not the answer either because again, we will need them when we come out of this.

Fortunately, our core customers, pizzerias, and Italian restaurants for the most part are not fairing too bad during this. They have the phone systems, online ordering, websites, delivery and carryout systems already set up so that they were ready when their dining rooms were shut down.

Still, with demand down we are sourcing food manufacturers to purchase our Trademark products. We have also rolled out some commodity cheeses for them to use in more budget minded applications. We have added Non-fat dry milk (NFM) production to our portfolio as a means to produce and store producer fluid milk. Bad news is if this continues there may come a time when we will have find alternatives other than what we are already doing. Worse case is that Producers stop breeding their Holsteins and lose freshening cycles. That presents a whole other slew of problems.

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