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Old 04-07-2020, 04:55 PM
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Not sure if just me, but listening daily to the MSM "breathlessly" reporting death counts reminds me of growing up in the 60s-70s, and hearing Cronkite give the daily body count from Vietnam. Anyone remember that? Stay healthy, All...
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All depends on the source....it ain't no joke
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On the subject of the Vietnam war, there's an excellent (at least IMO it's excellent) documentary on Netflix called "The Vietnam War". I was born in '62 so I was alive during the Vietnam war, but I wasn't aware of many of it's historical details prior to watching this special.
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More interesting is what is now considered cause of death. The overwhelming majority of deaths are being reported as C19 even though an underlying medical condition caused the death

No more heart attacks, strokes, etc. Flu and pneumonia death statistics have dropped to 0

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Originally Posted by Elusive View Post
More interesting is what is now considered cause of death. The overwhelming majority of deaths are being reported as C19 even though an underlying medical condition caused the death

No more heart attacks, strokes, etc. Flu and pneumonia death statistics have dropped to 0

C19 is listed on the DC?
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The reason deaths are being reported as Covid 19, Hospitals get 100% reimbursement from insurance companies and the federal government!! So, what is the real death toll....follow the money!
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Lot's of fake news here. See the CDC guidelines for reporting deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
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To put in context: On average 157,000 people die each month in the U.S. Approximately 9800 have died supposedly of CV-19 since February. Overblown much?
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Originally Posted by caltexflanc View Post
Lot's of fake news here. See the CDC guidelines for reporting deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

Yeah, This is more like it.

Lot of morons on this site.
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The reason deaths are being reported as Covid 19, Hospitals get 100% reimbursement from insurance companies and the federal government!! So, what is the real death toll....follow the money!
prove it or move along! hospitals cant just mark what ever they want as the cause of death! also the doctor taking care of the patient marks the cause of death, not the hospital itself. not to mention a chart audit is going to want a positive covid 19 test result in the chart!

if it is undetermined cause, it goes to the coroner to determine cause of death. coroners are county/state employees!
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A real concern is that they will keep everything shutdown until they reach whatever number supports their self-fulfilling prophecy

Is the number still 100k-200k ? Or are we still to believe 1.2M-2.3M will perish in the US ?
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https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/

Cool visual about just how serious CV 19
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Originally Posted by Elusive View Post
A real concern is that they will keep everything shutdown until they reach whatever number supports their self-fulfilling prophecy

Is the number still 100k-200k ? Or are we still to believe 1.2M-2.3M will perish in the US ?

That depends on how many active cases came to the country before all this started here. Was it 20 or 200? These were the people who started it.
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Originally Posted by scottdd1 View Post
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/

Cool visual about just how serious CV 19
thats cool and all, but why did all the numbers other than c19 stay exacly the same? Is it a given that exactly that many die from the other causes, or did they just not bother to research those numbers? Or are those numbers unavailable? Something tells me if yiu had real numbers a few of the other bars may drop, suspiciously close to the amout of c19 deaths.
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Originally Posted by Elusive View Post
A real concern is that they will keep everything shutdown until they reach whatever number supports their self-fulfilling prophecy

Is the number still 100k-200k ? Or are we still to believe 1.2M-2.3M will perish in the US ?
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No matter what actually killed you if you tested positive for the virus they record you died from the virus

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^^^^^ Here is the guidance CDC wants doctors to follow. Theses are not normal procedures for documenting a cause of death. They want docs to feel free to assume and guess WuhFlu killed a patient even if the patient was in end of life, stage 4 cancer and there wasn't a test proving WuhFlu was even present. I put in bold the parts that surprised me.

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COVID-19 Alert No. 2 March 24, 2020

New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths

This email is to alert you that a newly-introduced ICD code has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates. Please read carefully and forward this email to the state statistical staff in your office who are involved in the preparation of mortality data, as well as others who may receive questions when the data are released.

What is the new code? The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1, and below is how it will appear in formal tabular list format. U07.1 COVID-19 Excludes: Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2) Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9) The WHO has provided a second code, U07.2, for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available. Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics. When will it be implemented? Immediately.

Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not.

What happens if certifiers report terms other than the suggested terms? If a death certificate reports coronavirus without identifying a specific strain or explicitly specifying that it is not COVID-19, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify whether or not the coronavirus was COVID-19. As long as the phrase used indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, NCHS expects to assign the new code. However, it is preferable and more straightforward for certifiers to use the standard terminology (COVID-19). What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty? If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases. If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record. In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID- 19. Do I need to make any changes at the jurisdictional level to accommodate the new ICD code? Not necessarily, but you will want to confirm that your systems and programs do not behave as if U07.1 is an unknown code.

Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
prove it or move along! hospitals cant just mark what ever they want as the cause of death! also the doctor taking care of the patient marks the cause of death, not the hospital itself. not to mention a chart audit is going to want a positive covid 19 test result in the chart!

if it is undetermined cause, it goes to the coroner to determine cause of death. coroners are county/state employees!
You are wrong.
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My father tested positive in the hospital last week while awaiting to get transferred to a rehab facility. Dr said he had to test negative 2 days in a row to get transferred. Well wouldn’t you know he tested negative for two days and then was told it was probably a false positive, when I asked how they knew they said they didn’t. I then asked if he’d died of a heart attck as he has heart failure if the death certificate would say he died from Wuhan. The dr said probably.
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If you have heart attack , and get run over by bus after collapsing in street.....what was COD?

coronavirus is the bus in many cases

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