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Old 04-08-2020, 07:15 PM
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This article indicates not all coroners are coding deaths as covid related.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/healt...nvs/index.html
Old 04-08-2020, 07:26 PM
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Lack of test kits

Because for every person we test that actually has coronavirus....
We test 6 that did not.

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Flu cases and deaths are handled the same way.

Everyone wants super accurate covid numbers, but they don't exist. The protocols aren't in place nor is there enough testing especially postmortem, and in some places they are just too damn busy.

just like the true number of cases is inaccurate in both influenza and covid, so are the deaths. But at least estimating them in a now somewhat similar fashion gets us closer to having some relative comparison.

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Originally Posted by Slappified View Post
This article indicates not all coroners are coding deaths as covid related.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/healt...nvs/index.html
Read post #56.
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I mentioned this on a different thread, but seems like most I have heard/read they cremate the bodies of C 19 deaths because they do not embalm those bodies to keep from exposing people to the bodies/fluids after death.
If they have other people dying from C19 but not reporting it then other people are possibly being exposed to c19
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Originally Posted by 99yam40 View Post
I mentioned this on a different thread, but seems like most I have heard/read they cremate the bodies of C 19 deaths because they do not embalm those bodies to keep from exposing people to the bodies/fluids after death.
If they have other people dying from C19 but not reporting it then other people are possibly being exposed to c19

You must not be watching the nightly MSM news. They stack all the COVID 19 bodies in refrigerator trucks parked on the streets for later temporary burial in city parks in trench style mass graves. After this is all over they will exhume all the bodies for permanent interment elsewhere. We know this is true because an off duty nurse posted it on a Facebook page. Better get up to speed!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-dis...132059427.html

You can’t rely on just the laboratory-confirmed cases,” Marc-Alain Widdowson, an epidemiologist who left the CDC last year and now serves as director of the Institute of Tropical Medicine Antwerp in Belgium, told the Post. “You’re never going to apply the test on everybody who is ill and everybody who dies. So without doubt — it’s a truism — the number of deaths are underestimated globally.”
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Originally Posted by Tireless View Post
^^^^^ Here is the guidance CDC wants doctors to follow. Theses are not normal procedures for documenting a cause of death. They want docs to feel free to assume and guess WuhFlu killed a patient even if the patient was in end of life, stage 4 cancer and there wasn't a test proving WuhFlu was even present. I put in bold the parts that surprised me.

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COVID-19 Alert No. 2 March 24, 2020

New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths

This email is to alert you that a newly-introduced ICD code has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates. Please read carefully and forward this email to the state statistical staff in your office who are involved in the preparation of mortality data, as well as others who may receive questions when the data are released.

What is the new code? The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1, and below is how it will appear in formal tabular list format. U07.1 COVID-19 Excludes: Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2) Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9) The WHO has provided a second code, U07.2, for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available. Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics. When will it be implemented? Immediately.

Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not.

What happens if certifiers report terms other than the suggested terms? If a death certificate reports coronavirus without identifying a specific strain or explicitly specifying that it is not COVID-19, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify whether or not the coronavirus was COVID-19. As long as the phrase used indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, NCHS expects to assign the new code. However, it is preferable and more straightforward for certifiers to use the standard terminology (COVID-19). What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty? If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases. If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record. In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID- 19. Do I need to make any changes at the jurisdictional level to accommodate the new ICD code? Not necessarily, but you will want to confirm that your systems and programs do not behave as if U07.1 is an unknown code.

Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II
The video is long but Dr. Annie Bukacek explains how these changes are affecting the death count.

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Annie? The far right, anti-vaxxer doctor? The one investigated for campaign finance and Medicaide fraud?
Nah. I wouldn’t describe her as the most trustworthy source.
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I can’t imagine what it will be like when they start digging those bodies up
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Had we never been made aware of covid 19 -

The vast majority of otherwise healthy peeps that were infected would assume they had some sort of flu, self medicate, recover and move on. My wife caught what we think was the swine flu 11ish or so years ago - couple days of tough symptoms and then done, no doctor visit or pandemonium required.

The 20Kish reported covid 19 deaths in the US is a number lost in the round off...When healthy 20 somethings are dropping like flies you can push the panic button, this isn't even noteworthy.

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Originally Posted by sailquik View Post
Annie? The far right, anti-vaxxer doctor? The one investigated for campaign finance and Medicaide fraud?
Nah. I wouldn’t describe her as the most trustworthy source.
Yep, Pro-LIfe Supporter, NRA member sounds like a real bad hombre to me!
As for her supposed campaign finance charges filed against the Pro-Life Group she was President of, is simply local Montana politics. It comes up in any google search.
I make no judgments or assertions either way. I do not find your attempt to discredit her valid. She is simply reporting on how the numbers are arrived at which I found very interesting and disconcerting to say the least. I think many others will as well after they watch the video.

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Originally Posted by Conchyjodyoos View Post
this is unreal. Why is this ignored?
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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
this is unreal. Why is this ignored?
Because it doesn’t fit the narrative that the Lamestream media wants us to believe.
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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
this is unreal. Why is this ignored?
This could be coincidental with the fact that people are practicing social distancing which could be affecting flu rates of which, pneumonia is a complication.

I would like to see the same graph for other diseases.
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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
this is unreal. Why is this ignored?
I will make the same comment here as on other thread. CDC states that it can take up to 8 weeks to get deaths correct and entered into their database. Also, something doesn't make sense on graph as it shows 3k (and more) deaths per week, so over 150k each year, and when bad years have hit 80k.

Unless I'm missing something in the fine print, this graphic is misleading as well.
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I'm not sure how factual it is, however, it does state pneumonia and influenza deaths, not just flu deaths.

Combined deaths, but I'm not sure how one gets pneumonia without the flu, but I guess it happens.

How many? Don't know.


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The flu is generally limited to a fraction (generally winter) of the yea. 3k deaths per week for 17 weeks is 51k deaths, so seems to be a reasonable number.
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Originally Posted by weatherman View Post
The flu is generally limited to a fraction (generally winter) of the yea. 3k deaths per week for 17 weeks is 51k deaths, so seems to be a reasonable number.
Flu season is October to May. It peaks in January and February .charts are ez to google.

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