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Old 04-08-2020, 05:05 PM
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Old 04-08-2020, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
Not sure this is accurate. Could have sworn I saw the US averages 7,778 deaths a day for 2018 but have to verify that.
Old 04-08-2020, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Not sure this is accurate. Could have sworn I saw the US averages 7,000 deaths a day but have to verify that.
Right from the cdc website.
Old 04-08-2020, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
Right from the cdc website.
I think I see where I screwed up .
Can you provide the link. Thanks
Old 04-08-2020, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Not sure this is accurate. Could have sworn I saw the US averages 7,778 deaths a day for 2018 but have to verify that.
That is about right, last 3-4 weeks are much lower.
Old 04-08-2020, 05:28 PM
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I guess you guys complaining don’t realize the same criteria is used to determine flu deaths. Even better is the CDC reviews deaths that occurred outside hospitals and if the COD was typical of a condition associated with flu, the death is attributed to flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

So to summarize
Naysayers use flu deaths as a way to prove how overblown Covid is why also calling into question the method for determining Corona deaths, All the while flu deaths are a far less accurate estimation. Just trying to keep the bullshit straight.
Old 04-08-2020, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Only way to see if these numbers are grossly inflated will be to compare total national, state, city deaths during the months of March and April 2020 with the March and April for 2019 and include population increase or decrease with it. As we say can hide the cause but hard to hide the body.
This wouldn’t be an accurate comparison, The quarantine has changed people's behavior so much the data would be skewed. Traffic deaths will be down due to less commuting, less crime etc.
Old 04-08-2020, 05:37 PM
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[QUOTE=Polapea;13527186]I guess you guys complaining don’t realize the same criteria is used to determine flu deaths. Even better is the CDC reviews deaths that occurred outside hospitals and if the COD was typical of a condition associated with flu, the death is attributed to flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

So to summarize
Naysayers use flu deaths as a way to prove how overblown Covid is why also calling into question the method for determining Corona deaths, All the while flu deaths are a far less accurate estimation. Just trying to keep the bullshit straight.[/QUOTE

I can not speak for anyone else here except my self. I just know that I do not blindly follow our politicians or news sources without question. I have a lot of questions that I can not get a straight answer on. I work for a large municipality and have seen the spin machine in all its glory many times. .
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Originally Posted by Polapea View Post
I guess you guys complaining don’t realize the same criteria is used to determine flu deaths. Even better is the CDC reviews deaths that occurred outside hospitals and if the COD was typical of a condition associated with flu, the death is attributed to flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

So to summarize
Naysayers use flu deaths as a way to prove how overblown Covid is why also calling into question the method for determining Corona deaths, All the while flu deaths are a far less accurate estimation. Just trying to keep the bullshit straight.
I'd be willing to bet the flu numbers are slightly under reported. Reason is the ones in the extreme late stages of life. No need for testing.
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Originally Posted by Polapea View Post
This wouldn’t be an accurate comparison, The quarantine has changed people's behavior so much the data would be skewed. Traffic deaths will be down due to less commuting, less crime etc.
Traffic, Homicide and suspicious deaths are still treated the same thru this and recorded as such after an investigation. But you are probably right, numbers would be skewered up or down due to change in life style.
Old 04-08-2020, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Not sure this is accurate. Could have sworn I saw the US averages 7,778 deaths a day for 2018 but have to verify that.
Am I reading the numbers correctly and that approx 30k less Americans have died weekly since the lock down? Does that mean if we live in lockdown 1.5M less Americans will die in a year if we continue this lockdown? What if the government just lut us all in padded rooms?
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Traffic, Homicide and suspicious deaths are still treated the same thru this and recorded as such after an investigation. But you are probably right, numbers would be skewered up or down due to change in life style.
medical malpractice is waaayyyyy down. 5000 per week and with lots of procedures cancelled....
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news...eath_in_the_us
Maybe we could do a worldometer running tally of malpractice and get some real hysteria going!!!!!
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Originally Posted by GravyBoat View Post
Am I reading the numbers correctly and that approx 30k less Americans have died weekly since the lock down? Does that mean if we live in lockdown 1.5M less Americans will die in a year if we continue this lockdown? What if the government just lut us all in padded rooms?
keeping us safe from ourselves, i know of a few here that could use it.
Old 04-08-2020, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GravyBoat View Post
Am I reading the numbers correctly and that approx 30k less Americans have died weekly since the lock down? Does that mean if we live in lockdown 1.5M less Americans will die in a year if we continue this lockdown? What if the government just lut us all in padded rooms?
Very interesting if that fact is true. Quarantining for the virus is peanuts. The real life saving is everywhere else. I really want to save lives now so lets stay this way for ever. What are 1.5 million lives worth.
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
prove it or move along! hospitals cant just mark what ever they want as the cause of death! also the doctor taking care of the patient marks the cause of death, not the hospital itself. not to mention a chart audit is going to want a positive covid 19 test result in the chart!

if it is undetermined cause, it goes to the coroner to determine cause of death. coroners are county/state employees!

We had a guy die in bed in his apartment. Had horrible flu like symptoms for the week prior. The medical examiner said that she would not be testing the individual for corona unless requested to do so by an outside agency.

How are those numbers working out for you? Until everyone is tested for corona virus and until every death is tested for corona then the numbers are no where near accurate.
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Originally Posted by Remington001 View Post
I'd be willing to bet the flu numbers are slightly under reported. Reason is the ones in the extreme late stages of life. No need for testing.
The article states the CDC tries to account for what you are saying. Basically they are estimates based on estimates. Novel viruses (MERS, SARS, COVVID) will always be better tracked than seasonal influenza.
Old 04-08-2020, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Remington001 View Post
I'd be willing to bet the flu numbers are slightly under reported. Reason is the ones in the extreme late stages of life. No need for testing.
Id bet they are way over reported.
They include pneumonias, influenza, a ILI....influenza like illnesses....a catch all.

Only 1 /3 of those, are actually positive flu. But all lumped as deaths by influenza. The reason is because that's not a number to be used to argue influenza vs. Covid-19 , it's a number used to record deaths by seasonal respiratory illnesses.

if we weren't aware of it and testing for it, many covid-19 deaths would be classified as influenza deaths as well. But, we are.

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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
medical malpractice is waaayyyyy down. 5000 per week and with lots of procedures cancelled....
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news...eath_in_the_us
Maybe we could do a worldometer running tally of malpractice and get some real hysteria going!!!!!
This article is very interesting, 250k deaths a year the Hopkins team attributed to medical mistakes. Never knew it was anywhere near that.
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Originally Posted by Polapea View Post
This article is very interesting, 250k deaths a year the Hopkins team attributed to medical mistakes. Never knew it was anywhere near that.
Calling them malpractice or medical mistakes is less accurate than what the study states:

The researchers caution that most of medical errors aren’t due to inherently bad doctors, and that reporting these errors shouldn’t be addressed by punishment or legal action. Rather, they say, most errors represent systemic problems, including poorly coordinated care, fragmented insurance networks, the absence or underuse of safety nets, and other protocols, in addition to unwarranted variation in physician practice patterns that lack accountability.
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Originally Posted by ericinmich View Post
Calling them malpractice or medical mistakes is less accurate than what the study states:

The researchers caution that most of medical errors aren’t due to inherently bad doctors, and that reporting these errors shouldn’t be addressed by punishment or legal action. Rather, they say, most errors represent systemic problems, including poorly coordinated care, fragmented insurance networks, the absence or underuse of safety nets, and other protocols, in addition to unwarranted variation in physician practice patterns that lack accountability.
I guess the point of my post was to account for the large drop in deaths. It is almost 10% of all deaths in the us.

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