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Old 04-08-2020, 06:18 AM
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There do indeed seem to be more deaths being attributed to Corvid 19 than perhaps should be. Its an educated guess really... but not all people that test positive for CV19 die from that but they will be attributed to it. I saw last night the the deaths from pneumonia had dropped drastically while Corvid deaths increase. Its sort of a unfortunate glitch in how this is going to be recorded. We will never really know nor can we ever know for certain. I heard someone compare it to prostate cancer. Many die with it but most do not die from it. Something like that...
Old 04-08-2020, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mbb View Post
If you have heart attack , and get run over by bus after collapsing in street.....what was COD?

coronavirus is the bus in many cases
umm except they said he probably never had it, even though he tested positive. Only reason they kept testing him is they were trying to transfer him.
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The methodology and final placement of COVID19 death counts don't really matter - what really matters is what the American public is being told to believe - because that is the number that drives fear and shutdowns and economic repercussions.

So here we have the public number plastered all over the news - 12064 Deaths https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

But the actual number is more like this - 2214 Deaths https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...avirus-summary






Is it scarier to have 12000 deaths instead of 2214, probably about six times scarier than reality? Of course it is - but why isn't the news telling us the real death toll is more like 2214? I'll leave that up to you guys to ponder.

Old 04-08-2020, 07:35 AM
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A positive RT-PCR test for Covid-19 pretty much assures that the patient has that disease. In other words that test has a high rate of specificity.
A negative RT-PCR test for Covid-19 does not mean that the patient goes not mean that the patient does not have a SARS-COV-2 infection. In fact the PCR testing has about a 30% false negative yield* which means that only about 70% of those with actual Covid-19 infections will test out as positives. The test has a low sensitivity level.
Bottom line is that the diagnosis of Covid-19 should be based on clinical features and the diagnosis may be confirmed by laboratory testing. But if the symptoms fit - fever, short of breath, dry cough, etc. and there is no other obvious explanation for those symptoms the patient should be diagnosed as having Covid-19 regardless of a negative test result.

*If you don't want to take my word for that number go here: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...=2338964&faf=1
and see what Dr. Rochelle Walensky, MD, vice chair of IDSA's HIVMedicine Association and chief of the infectious diseases division at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, has to say on the matter. I have also found several other sources that support a high false negative test rate (15-68%) for Covid-19.
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Originally Posted by Lou Gill View Post
, what is the real death toll.!
6?
Old 04-08-2020, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Shore Native View Post
The methodology and final placement of COVID19 death counts don't really matter - what really matters is what the American public is being told to believe - because that is the number that drives fear and shutdowns and economic repercussions.

So here we have the public number plastered all over the news - 12064 Deaths https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

But the actual number is more like this - 2214 Deaths https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...avirus-summary


Is it scarier to have 12000 deaths instead of 2214, probably about six times scarier than reality? Of course it is - but why isn't the news telling us the real death toll is more like 2214? I'll leave that up to you guys to ponder.
Where did you get 2214 from that site? I can't find it...
Old 04-08-2020, 08:11 AM
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It's right there besides the governments stats on how much damage Y2K was going to do.
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Originally Posted by ericinmich View Post
Where did you get 2214 from that site? I can't find it...

Sorry - reversed the links. The 2214 is now 3307 or so as it is a continuously updated page.
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Originally Posted by Shore Native View Post
Sorry - reversed the links. The 2214 is now 3307 or so as it is a continuously updated page.
Per the info on the site the low number will lag from 1 to 8 weeks based on reporting. It makes sense it doesn't match.
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The deaths are not being coded or counted the way the good Dr. Brix described, per the CDC. Perhaps there was some nomenclature confusion.
It is not uncommon that the last potentially fatal thing to happen to you gets the credit. Had this happen in the case of both my sister and brother.
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Originally Posted by caltexflanc View Post
Lot's of fake news here. See the CDC guidelines for reporting deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
You are not getting how this is really done, these are guidelines not fast rules. Believe what you want I will not be able to change your mind but post mortem exams are not being conducted on the majority of deaths occurring now. If you PM me I can show you some redacted reports to protect privacy but how this is really working. Regardless stay safe, as I said this is a bad disease no doubt but it is being manipulated for what ever reason I do not know.
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I've said from the very beginning, this is a BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION nothing flu and most thought I was crazy. So the gov. in ALL its wisdom has shut down the USA, crippled the economy, put our national debt further along, ALL FOR NOTHING !!!

Oh wait, the upside is all the people that are alive because of the STAY AT HOME orders, you know, the people that WOULD HAVE DIED from drunk drivers and people texting and driving. More of those have been saved than the # of corbogus virus deaths! SO there's that !
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Only way to see if these numbers are grossly inflated will be to compare total national, state, city deaths during the months of March and April 2020 with the March and April for 2019 and include population increase or decrease with it. As we say can hide the cause but hard to hide the body.
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Only way to see if these numbers are grossly inflated will be to compare total national, state, city deaths during the months of March and April 2020 with the March and April for 2019 and include population increase or decrease with it. As we say can hide the cause but hard to hide the body.
China is hiding hundreds of thousands of bodies. I agree with your statement as it pertains to the US.
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Do you remember when they counted the traffic deaths on the holidays? A comedian stated that "it only counts if you die on a holiday". They stopped soon after. Today they just said that 86% of people in NYC had underlying health problems. They also don't "sell" how many people have survived/recovered. It is a terrible health issue but it also makes great news.
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Only way to see if these numbers are grossly inflated will be to compare total national, state, city deaths during the months of March and April 2020 with the March and April for 2019 and include population increase or decrease with it. As we say can hide the cause but hard to hide the body.
somebody on here is smart enough to do this. It would be interesting to see for sure.
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Originally Posted by oceandansar View Post
somebody on here is smart enough to do this. It would be interesting to see for sure.
Would also have to see if there is a decrease in cardiac, cancer, stroke, asthma etc. deaths for the same periods in 2020 vs 2019. Big drop in them could be the smoking gun.
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Old 04-08-2020, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by oceandansar View Post
somebody on here is smart enough to do this. It would be interesting to see for sure.
We are well below average for nationwide deaths the last 3 weeks. This is supported on the cdc link above.
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Originally Posted by alka2710 View Post
Would also have to see if there is a decrease in cardiac, cancer, stroke, asthma etc. deaths for the same periods in 2020 vs 2019. Big drop in them could be the smoking gun.


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