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Old 03-26-2020, 06:14 PM
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Default When do you ethically remove yourself from work??

I wanted to post this in the overblown thread, but it has gotten to be such a pissing match.

If your coworkers spouse has been exposed, and they cannot ethically come into work, ( even though they want to, they are a nurse but their employer say no, do not come in) however your wife has worked alongside them, is your wife supposed to self quarantine also? If so should her spouse also? I mean where do you draw the line. In this example let's assume the infected person was tested positive, but none of the others were tested, and not by choice, but because that is how it is.

I would not not for one minute want to expose my coworkers, however I really don't want to leave my employer in the lurch right now. I have looked online and it seems like a really grey subject, with no real directives. My thinking is we are all in the same boat, as we all are possibly exposed just going into the grorecy store. I was thinking about all the doctors and health care workers everywhere. They are exposed all day long. If they are lucky they have good personal protection aids. What about the places that don't have that luxury? And if you were to follow the common advice, we would have no health workers left to work?
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I am in a really funny place with this. Fortunately all of my current clients are out of towners and do not plan on coming to visit any time soon (double edged sword) so I don't have to make the decision.

With what is going on, I am not comfortable asking people to let strangers (myself and clients) go into their home, and repeat 2-10x a day depending on showings. Taking other possibly infected people through a person's home, where they should be able to feel safe, and make them feel unsafe in it. I don't know.

Maybe my instance is more moral than ethical, but it is a tough decision many have to make.
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a household where someone is quarantined should not have people going in and out around other people.
either find some other place to put the quarantined person or all live that way.
but then the others in the household have already been exposed so they too should stay in quarantine until they test OK after 14 days

But if they had not caught it yet it would be good for them not to be exposed to the one that is positive during his/her quarantine

all common sense

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While I'm firmly in the "it's overblown" camp, I think if you suspect youve been in contact with somebody who is likely positive, you self quarantine for the allotted time. Greater good and all that.

I've had two face to face work meetings this week and aside from that I've been staying in with immediate family.
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Originally Posted by 99yam40 View Post
a household where someone is quarantined should not have people going in and out around other people.
either find some other place to put the quarantined person or all live that way.
but then the others in the household have already been exposed so they too should stay in quarantine until they test OK after 14 days

But if they had not caught it yet it would be good for them not to be exposed to the one that is positive during his/her quarantine

all common sense
Ok, but then how do you explain all the health workers that are exposed every day, having to go home to their families at the end of their shift? Are they exempt? Like I said, where does it end?
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Originally Posted by Double tyme View Post
While I'm firmly in the "it's overblown" camp, I think if you suspect youve been in contact with somebody who is likely positive, you self quarantine for the allotted time. Greater good and all that.

I've had two face to face work meetings this week and aside from that I've been staying in with immediate family.
question is would you allow you,your wife, or kids, or anyone else around you or your family if you or one of the people in your house hold test positive.
unknown people going through other peoples houses would be a bad idea if they did in fact have the C19 after all and contaminated that home
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Ok, but then how do you explain all the health workers that are exposed every day, having to go home to their families at the end of their shift? Are they exempt? Like I said, where does it end?
would they all be using the same PPE as the health people all of the time?

thinking some more about this, to put the breaks on this it would be best if someone is exposed thay should stay away from all others, even family, but that may not be always possible

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Originally Posted by 99yam40 View Post
question is would you allow you,your wife, or kids, or anyone else around you or your family if you or one of the people in your house hold test positive
No, absolutely not.
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Originally Posted by 99yam40 View Post
would they all be using the same PPE as the health people all of the time?
No as I pointed out in my original post, that is not possible. Hopefully in the next week they all will have PPE available to them, but as of now, no they don't. The point being is if they have to self quarantine, they would littelery within a few days have no staff. And that leads me to my original question, even if the health care workers felt they have to go in, what about the spouse?
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Originally Posted by mikeloew View Post
No as I pointed out in my original post, that is not possible. Hopefully in the next week they all will have PPE available to them, but as of now, no they don't. The point being is if they have to self quarantine, they would littelery within a few days have no staff. And that leads me to my original question, even if the health care workers felt they have to go in, what about the spouse?
they would have to decide themselves what they want to risk.
the hospitals do not let them in if positive, but unknown ?

maybe we are talking about different thigs, if they are positive only medical staff should be around them.
just exposed to someone positive would be real close to that until they test positive
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Ohh boy
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It’s a good question.
wife is also a nurse, 50+ employees around her have tested positive.
shes there on a 12 hour shift today.
what to do when she comes home has been interesting.Im in mid 60’s and daughter lives here with us.
Do we quarantine because she has been exposed ?
Im sure many variations of this scenario and question exist.
I don’t know the answers, common sense is the best I can tell you.
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
I am in a really funny place with this. Fortunately all of my current clients are out of towners and do not plan on coming to visit any time soon (double edged sword) so I don't have to make the decision.

With what is going on, I am not comfortable asking people to let strangers (myself and clients) go into their home, and repeat 2-10x a day depending on showings. Taking other possibly infected people through a person's home, where they should be able to feel safe, and make them feel unsafe in it. I don't know.

Maybe my instance is more moral than ethical, but it is a tough decision many have to make.
In your case when the N95 masks start coming out in good supply, could you perhaps ask any clients to wear the gloves and masks before entry. I know I would not object to that in these current times.
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If there is a chance that you have been exposed, you treat it like you have been.
If your SO works in healthcare and have had a test positive at their employer, assume that they have it and if you've been in close contact with them, assume that you have it too.
This morning, I have a headache, I never get headaches. I am in on essential business, but once I get home I will take my temperature. If I have a fever, then I will stay home for the duration to see if it goes away or if I get any symptoms.
"Sky is falling" or "It's just a cold" DO NOT PUT PEOPLE AT RISK.

My oldest son lives right next to us and works in the same office as I. Our circles outside of work are very small, we've kept distance from everyone and practice the usual measures.
He had not seen his fiance for a few weeks which aggravated her. She showed up the other night and I informed him that he was then required to limit activities with us and cannot come into the house for 14 days. He was quite aggravated about her showing up as she has been around many people and facilities for the last few weeks.
He kept 6 feet away from her while she was there which did not make her happy. Miraculously, and I hate myself for even thinking it, her step dad died the next day, she took it very hard so my son had to comfort her. We're waiting for more information about her step dad as she is manipulative and might have come up with it to use it as an excuse to be close to him. If we find out that she did that, we will call her out.

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