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Old 04-04-2020, 11:58 AM
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Wondering what your experience was like at the hardware stores? Crowded? Close to folks?
it was my local true value store. It was nearly empty and reaked of bleach. I touched only what I purchased. I had a quart of paint mixed up by an older gentleman who looked fine to me. The cashier wouldn’t even bag my stuff as they didn’t want to touch anything I’ve touched.

Old 04-04-2020, 12:03 PM
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Big Island Lifer - Why don't you call your Dept. of Health and get tested? It would be better for you and the community to know. It's also possible you don't have it, but some food-borne illness.

Concerning that you've isolated to this degree and caught something. I've been sanitizing deliveries since this even, but even that isn't full-proof as it's impossible to do to clinical standards.

FYI - The shipping boxes never come in the house. The items inside the box are usually left in the sun a few hours and then wiped with lysol...Handwashing after....

The issue becomes food, and esp. produce...Can't exactly sanitize...I guess you could wash with soap. I've been putting fruits in a water / vinegar solution, but.I don't think it's effective to remove the threat of the virus.
I’ll be much more cautious with packages going forward. I’ve read the studies on how long the virus lasts on the different materials. Never thought it was applicable to the “real world”- maybe it is.

I’ll reach out to the MN department of health and see if they are interested. I’m not holding my breath on actually getting tested.

I don’t see this as food related. If it was it should have been gone in 24-36 hours and not lasted 4 days with ups and downs like I’ve experienced.
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I find that very interesting and highly suspect. I just don't think it would mutate this fast. I'm wondering with all this additional surveillance we have now perhaps we are picking up strains that were already in the population. It's pretty clear now that if you have a cough, esp. dry cough, you think you have THE corona virus....
I operate the opposite. I have the symptoms but don't really think I have it. Or if I do it is still super mild. Think how fast it may have gone bat to person to person to person.

The scientists say the mutations are minor and not cause for concern, but helping them track it.

https://thehill.com/changing-america...irus-have-been
Old 04-04-2020, 01:13 PM
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more like 18-19% positive. Trending slowly upward even with substantially increased testing.

that said, the result itself may not mean much. It's all about the course of the disease in the individual.

best wishes to all who are dealing with it themselves or their families.
In my state of Florida 103,389 have been tested and 11,111 have tested positive. Currently a 10.7% positive rate which is great. Hopefully all our efforts have been working.
Old 04-04-2020, 02:18 PM
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...... Think how fast it may have gone bat to person to person to person.
I don't believe this to be the case.
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Originally Posted by TonyStark View Post
I don't believe this to be the case.
why not?
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Originally Posted by Pipo6007 View Post
In my state of Florida 103,389 have been tested and 11,111 have tested positive. Currently a 10.7% positive rate which is great. Hopefully all our efforts have been working.
remember these numbers are a bit fuzzy.

FL EOC data yesterday says 12-13% FL positive with 18% in Miami dade and Palm Beach Counties

when we have a few hundred thousand (500k and up) tests we will have better numbers.

but positive tests are only for positive via swab, not for antibodies. So again not the best numbers and only active shedding from symptomatic patients. We need both, and asymptomatic testing at least in a control population to get some idea what is going on.
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crazybeard - At the risk of being called a conspiracy theorist, my experience leads me to the conclusion it's far more likely that this virus came out of the Bio-hazard lab in Wuhan. It's just what my experience and gut are telling me.... It's far more logical that it was mutated in the lab and that's how it became so transmittable from human to human so quickly....But, if people want to believe someone ate a bat, then that's ok too.....Though usually that only spreads to the eater....That's why SARS and MERS were much easier to contain.

Further the dis-information / mis-information campaign started immediately and anyone and everyone that didn't agree with the PRC narrative is or has been dealt with....

Look, I'm not a hater of China, nor it's people. I think they do a lot of good work. That said, I think they have to own this issue as it will likely come out in the end....

It reminds me of Iran when they denied any involvement with the downing of the commercial aircraft....They tried in vein to hide evidence, and if it wasn't overwhelming, they might have gotten away with it...Trouble for them was, there were a lot of international people aboard and Ukrainians had experts that dealt with the MH-17 incident....They could no longer deny it.
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Originally Posted by TonyStark View Post
I don't believe this to be the case.
You can erase that part from my post in your mind. The article and evidence are actually good news about 8 mutations, not bad news if you read the article. They aren't mutating in any way that makes it more dangerous or deadly.
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TonyStark heres something you may be interested in.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...to-wuhan-labs/
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crazybeard -Thanks, I'll review....Sadly, as much as people might want to investigate, they have no idea the power and the lengths the PRC will go to control the narrative. if I was to say they had an entire division dedicated to this task, I think I would be underestimating....Big stakes here.
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Originally Posted by Big Island Lifer View Post
I’ll be much more cautious with packages going forward. I’ve read the studies on how long the virus lasts on the different materials. Never thought it was applicable to the “real world”- maybe it is.

I’ll reach out to the MN department of health and see if they are interested. I’m not holding my breath on actually getting tested.

I don’t see this as food related. If it was it should have been gone in 24-36 hours and not lasted 4 days with ups and downs like I’ve experienced.
Thanks for sharing your story.
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Originally Posted by TonyStark View Post
crazybeard -Thanks, I'll review....Sadly, as much as people might want to investigate, they have no idea the power and the lengths the PRC will go to control the narrative. if I was to say they had an entire division dedicated to this task, I think I would be underestimating....Big stakes here.
remember that a part or any good cover up is disinformation, real information and denial.
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I don't believe this to be the case.
I agree.. I have read several preprints in Nature about this. The bat virus has about 93% genetic match to the corona virus. The virus in the pangolin has about 96% match with covid. Some think it went from bat to pangolin to human.

But remember SARS virus was well over 99% genetic match to the virus in the civet, where it came from.

For perspective, we share about 96% genetic match with porpoises.
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Account From a friends wife. Edited to reduce some length but it's still long and I don't want to chop it up too much. He is still in ICU early 40s.

meanwhile, I've got reports of 5 business associates and acquaintances that have passed in the last few days.

hopefully things look better in this case tomorrow.

Just a bad flu, brah. They have this miracle drug cocktail that works. Until it doesn't.

The Coronavirus seemed like a news story far removed from our lives... until it wasn’t. I believe I got the virus first, and He got sick 3 days after me, despite my best efforts to confine myself to my bedroom, stay away from everyone, and wipe down anything I touched. At this point, neither of us qualified for testing, because although we had a fever and a cough, we weren’t having “breathing problems.” After about 8 days, we went to Urgent Care. I had developed a pneumonia, but his lungs were still clear at that point. We tested negative for the flu, but there were no Coronavirus test kits available. We were given antibiotics and steroids.

On Day 11 for me (Day 8 for Him), my fever broke and I finally started feeling better. He felt worse and returned to Urgent Care. This time his lungs showed signs of infection. He was given a different antibiotic to add to the one he was already taking and prescribed breathing treatments. They recommended either going to the ER right away or not waiting long to do so. Nine hours later, at 3:00 am early Saturday, March 28th, I dropped him off at the Emergency Room. I wasn’t able to be with him because by this point, none of the hospitals were allowing visitors inside...patients only. It is an awful and helpless feeling to leave someone you love at the front door of a hospital, not knowing what would happen and not able to be with them when it did. He was admitted straight away. He was tested for Coronavirus at both his second Urgent Care visit and at the hospital, with both tests eventually coming back positive. We were now dealing with Covid-19, what we had suspected all along.

He was put on oxygen and given IV antibiotics as well as the anti-malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine, which had shown some evidence in helping Covid patients. When the normal oxygen wasn’t enough, he was put on a high-flow oxygen machine. Finally, on April 1, we were told that his lungs were worsening, his oxygen saturation could not be maintained, and he would need to be sedated and placed on a ventilator to save his life. I got to speak with him before he was put on the vent. What do you say at that moment? What words do you speak when you have a brief moment to express everything in your heart? The only things that really matter.

A couple hours later, I received the phone call I never wanted to hear. The ventilator wasn’t enough. They could not keep his lungs oxygenated. The ICU doctor was recommending and, at that moment, organizing a transfer to the ICU of a different hospital so that he could be put on ECMO, a machine that would breathe for him because the vent could not. They needed my consent for this, although they said it was the only way He would be able to survive. Even the transfer by ambulance to the new hospital would be a matter of life and death.

All of this took place overnight and during the early morning hours of April 1. While it was going on, our three kids had been sleeping, still on a very crazy schedule after three weeks of “spring break” due to government-directed quarantine, not to mention two parents who were too sick to do very much. Now I had to wake them up and tell them their father had taken a turn for the worse, was being moved to a new hospital for a last-ditch treatment, and might not survive the ambulance trip there. On top of that, I didn’t know if I was still contagious, so I had to do this all from a distance in order to protect them. There is nothing so helpless as seeing your kids dissolve into tears and not being able to put your arms around them and comfort them. We cried. And we cried out to the only One who could save. We sent out messages and requests for prayer to everyone we knew. And we waited... and waited... and waited.

He survived the trip to the new ICU. We finally learned that he had not been put on ECMO...that after getting him all prepped and ready, he had stabilized on a different ventilator setting called APRV. That was good, but other things were not. His blood pressure was dropping. His kidney function was getting worse. He still had a fever. And the daily chest x-ray was showing more infection in his lungs. Even flipping him prone on his stomach wasn’t helping. Dialysis was attempted but failed. It was time to put him on ECMO.

One of the hospital staff members graciously used her phone so we could “FaceTime” He before they started the procedure. She held the camera on Him... he was in a medically-induced paralysis, on a ventilator, tubes everywhere, unresponsive.

And then the waiting. The staring at the walls. The falling on our knees, begging and pleading, again and again. Although we’re only 15 minutes from the hospital, it felt like the other side of the world (even more so for his family agonizing through these days in Australia!). And finally, the answer: He made it! He was on ECMO, a new line had been set up for dialysis, and God, our great and merciful and loving Heavenly Father, had answered our prayers, and given us another day.
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Account from next door:

New Yorkers VRBOing next door...been here a week and 4 days. They were asked by our governor to quarantine at home for 14 days. Because I've been at home every day, all day for at least 3 weeks, I've heard and seen them leave 2-5 x a day, riding around town, bringing people back, basically treating it like a vacation.


Fat driver just got back from where ever he goes (prob wal mart) and got out of his jeep hacking and coughing like he was dying. Thanks big guy...apprec you bringing corona down here with you.
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Account from next door:

New Yorkers VRBOing next door...been here a week and 4 days. They were asked by our governor to quarantine at home for 14 days. Because I've been at home every day, all day for at least 3 weeks, I've heard and seen them leave 2-5 x a day, riding around town, bringing people back, basically treating it like a vacation.


Fat driver just got back from where ever he goes (prob wal mart) and got out of his jeep hacking and coughing like he was dying. Thanks big guy...apprec you bringing corona down here with you.
We have that here too. Today they started checkpoints set up like DUI, but checking license plates. First offense warning, second ticket.
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I really hope the front line clinicians communicate with each other....Sad to read...

https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/manhat...y-coronavirus/

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