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Old 02-14-2020, 02:28 PM
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ACOE and their 50 year contract for who even knows how many millions of dollars are at it for 2020. We dont need any sand. The erosion has been minimal the last year, but the dredge and fill industry has their pockets lined so the circus goes on, needed or not. Nothing like your friendly, quiet local beach access being closed for this debacle for a month. One irony is they have to take down the signs that on the dune that convey the Fl statue for not being allowed to be on the dunes......The Florida Legislature recognized the importance of coastal plant species. Therefore Florida law states that no person, firm, corporation, or governmental agency shall damage or cause to be damaged sand dunes or the vegetation growing on the dune system (subparagraph 161.053(2)(a), Florida Statutes).....doesn't apply to them...

This operation is pure insanity by the definition. Its wasteful, damaging and just another despicable blunder by the ACOE.






THE BOYS HARD AT WORK.



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Ponte vedre?
Old 02-15-2020, 10:42 AM
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Looks like sat beach. They will be up to me within in a couple days. Will definitely wipe out beach fishing for a while.
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Local to this too, it's fing ridiculous
Old 02-15-2020, 02:48 PM
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are they pulling sand from the dunes and putting it down on the beach?
or they bringing sand from somewhere else and putting it on the dunes?
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Bringing it from off the bottom a few miles out.
When they are done the beach will be a much darker shade resembling light "mud" color.
They claim the "sun" will "bleach out" the sand to a nice color in short order.

I will be surprised if the turtles will nest in this "sand". If they do the difference in color will surely make the sand heat up in the sun at a different rate.
This will change the sex ratio of the turtle hatchlings because that is determined by incubation temperature within the nest.

But no worries, since this sand is from offshore and is much finer and dissolves easier, it will all just wash away again with the first big tropical storm.
Then they can get paid to do it over again in a couple years.



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Old 02-15-2020, 04:30 PM
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Most of us on the coast do NOT agree with doing this ( atleast us that have grown up here). It also has covered up the near shore
coquina reef. It is only to protect the homes and condos on the beach. I'm sorry but you people who live right on the beach should
have insurance to cover this or NOT live on the FREAKING beach. I do understand these little towns allowed the building on their
beach fronts because its tax revenue but its YOUR property not mine. I'm done now....
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Originally Posted by saltyreefer View Post
I'm sorry but you people who live right on the beach should
have insurance to cover this or NOT live on the FREAKING beach. I do understand these little towns allowed the building on their
beach fronts because its tax revenue but its YOUR property not mine. I'm done now....
You are correct and any reasonable person would agree. Problem is common sense has left our country a LONG TIME ago. Just look at the Federal Funded Flood insurance program funded by every tax payer in our country to pay for those people like me (who lives in The Keys) who could never get private flood insurance.
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I can see how any mud would wash out with rain and tide water, but sun bleaching it is a strange thought.
Also sand does not dissolve.

I agree that they should not subsidize all of the home owners on the water fronts.
let mother nature do her thing and if the land goes away, it is just part of owning property on the shores.
you know the risks when you bought it.
why should all the people away from the shore have to pay to keep it in place for those people that bought in a bad zone
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If the sand isn't there then all the rich SOB's stupid enough to live oceanfront will be bitching about all the people using their beach/backyard.
The public is allowed on the beach area from mean high tide and the water, I guess that means that the people can use the patio after a good washout.
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Originally Posted by Stim View Post
If the sand isn't there then all the rich SOB's stupid enough to live oceanfront will be bitching about all the people using their beach/backyard.
The public is allowed on the beach area from mean high tide and the water, I guess that means that the people can use the patio after a good washout.
Shitty place to build, nice place to visit...
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Originally Posted by Stim View Post
If the sand isn't there then all the rich SOB's stupid enough to live oceanfront will be bitching about all the people using their beach/backyard.
The public is allowed on the beach area from mean high tide and the water, I guess that means that the people can use the patio after a good washout.
Here, when your house ends up on the public beach, it has to be removed.
You need to know what you are buying.
all shorelines are receding.
there have been court battles on this
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They just throw tax dollars at rebuilding beaches that nature regularly take away. There was a reason why beach buildings were just shacks before we decided to could fight mother nature. Those shacks were expendable.
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Originally Posted by 99yam40 View Post
Here, when your house ends up on the public beach, it has to be removed.
You need to know what you are buying.
all shorelines are receding.
there have been court battles on this
Care to tell us where here is?
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Surfside Tx is where the battle happened.
seems some where moved to new lots and some fell apart in the water while they were fighting to not have to give them up.

I believe some money was provided to help move some

I remember rows of cabins and streets along Sargent Tx beach that disappeared over the years way back in the 60 or 70s.

I will also offer that they have shipped in so called heavy grained sand to replenish the beaches, but it still disappears. I remember having 2 rows of cars lining the beaches and a passage way between then during the summer.
now houses and paved roads have disappeared long ago

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I am interested to see how that implement on the front of that excavator works
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That's a set of detachable forks in front of the excavator. The forks go on a front end loader.
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Are they adding something to reinforce the dune? What are those stacks of material that the guys are sitting on?
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That's a set of detachable forks in front of the excavator. The forks go on a front end loader.
ah makes sense now looking closer

the angle made it look like some kind of auger head or weird slotted sweeper I thought it was some kind of special sand dune tool
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when i was coming up the coast a couple years ago, passing NJ, i saw them doing some work to fix/reinforce beaches/dunes. looked crazy. and expensive. huge beach houses right at waters edge / some over water. just let nature reclaim. i will not buy a water front property that has any remote chance of flooding or access being cut off during a flood.

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