USGS warns glaciers will be melted by 2020
#141
Admirals Club 


Your original question was way too broad a question(s) to be answered in any meaningful manner.
"But while you're asking please tell me how they're getting a measurement of the all of the world's oceans; the technology used and measurement uncertainty."
I merely provided nominal accuracy of microwave sensors currently used to measure sea levels and waves. Differing technologies will have different dependencies with regard to any atmospheric conditions impacting measurement accuracies.
Peer-reviewed journal articles mean what? They are reviewed by fellow experts in the field that DO have first-hand knowledge of such esoterica. I rely on those people to make sure the underlying methodology underpinning any research is scientifically sound. We all do. So yes, sometimes we accept underlying research methodologies at face value, particularly when it's reviewed by their fellow experts and/or we are not experts in that methodology.
Circling back to your original question regarding correcting for air temp and humidity. The article does acknowledge that such corrections are necessary for the subsurface pressure gauge. They state this is not important for the microwave sensors.
"The effect of density and temperature variations, even in the atmosphere, are unimportant."
Or from a NOAA paper on "Water Level and Wave Height Estimates at NOAA Tide Stations from Acoustic and Microwave Sensors".
"The sensor is remarkably insensitive to temperature variation (0.2 mm K21 , 5-mm maximum) and has accuracy of +- 0.03% of the measured range. However, microwave sensors have limitations, such as signal scattering/blockage from rain, ice or flotsam, sidelobe interference from pilings or other infrastructure, and a variable surface-area footprint dependent on sensor beamwidth and range from the water that introduces a spatial filter. Details of the sensor can be found in Heitsenrether and Davis (2011).
If you care, you can look at the technical report for adopting microwave sensors by NOAA. The reference is an Aquatrak AWAC.
Limited Acceptance of the Design Analysis WaterLog® H-3611i Microwave Radar Water Level Sensor. The RMSD between the two technologies in 3 different sites is typically less than 1 cm.
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/pu...CO-OPS_061.pdf
I note that NOAA is looking at using newer microwave sensors that uses CWFM vs a pulse radar for real-time monitoring of waves.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00586/full
"But while you're asking please tell me how they're getting a measurement of the all of the world's oceans; the technology used and measurement uncertainty."
I merely provided nominal accuracy of microwave sensors currently used to measure sea levels and waves. Differing technologies will have different dependencies with regard to any atmospheric conditions impacting measurement accuracies.
Peer-reviewed journal articles mean what? They are reviewed by fellow experts in the field that DO have first-hand knowledge of such esoterica. I rely on those people to make sure the underlying methodology underpinning any research is scientifically sound. We all do. So yes, sometimes we accept underlying research methodologies at face value, particularly when it's reviewed by their fellow experts and/or we are not experts in that methodology.
Circling back to your original question regarding correcting for air temp and humidity. The article does acknowledge that such corrections are necessary for the subsurface pressure gauge. They state this is not important for the microwave sensors.
"The effect of density and temperature variations, even in the atmosphere, are unimportant."
Or from a NOAA paper on "Water Level and Wave Height Estimates at NOAA Tide Stations from Acoustic and Microwave Sensors".
"The sensor is remarkably insensitive to temperature variation (0.2 mm K21 , 5-mm maximum) and has accuracy of +- 0.03% of the measured range. However, microwave sensors have limitations, such as signal scattering/blockage from rain, ice or flotsam, sidelobe interference from pilings or other infrastructure, and a variable surface-area footprint dependent on sensor beamwidth and range from the water that introduces a spatial filter. Details of the sensor can be found in Heitsenrether and Davis (2011).
If you care, you can look at the technical report for adopting microwave sensors by NOAA. The reference is an Aquatrak AWAC.
Limited Acceptance of the Design Analysis WaterLog® H-3611i Microwave Radar Water Level Sensor. The RMSD between the two technologies in 3 different sites is typically less than 1 cm.
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/pu...CO-OPS_061.pdf
I note that NOAA is looking at using newer microwave sensors that uses CWFM vs a pulse radar for real-time monitoring of waves.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...019.00586/full
#143
Senior Member

And this is what we get when science becomes politicised for personal gain.
#144
Admirals Club 


You seem to have stumbled upon the solution. Reduce the number of wet-slipped boats worldwide and the oceans will recede. While you digest this, I'm calling my broker to buy up shares of trailers and boat lifts.
#145
Senior Member


#146
Senior Member


Nonsense. Even the data from old tide gauges is more than adequate to estimate local sea level rise and provide a backstop for microwave sensor and satellite altimetry data. This is historical St. Pete tide station data. Trend is definitely upward. https://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/520.php


#147
Senior Member

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R44593.pdf
#148
Senior Member

I don't claim anything. The data shows an upward trend in sea level rise in St. Pete. If 10" of sea rise doesn't matter to you, then continue myopically scratching in the dirt.