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Old 12-12-2019, 06:19 PM
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Default Police arrest over 10MM people every year/2.3MM in prison

We (USA) arrest over 10,000,000 people a year. And have over 2,300,000 in prison (long term real prison not jail).

We incarcerate way more people than any other country. Almost every country on this list is a little poor island or a war torn third world country-- that's the company we keep on this list.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...0-inhabitants/

Even if the rate of innocent people was only 1%, it would still be over 23,000 innocent people in prison (not arrested or charged but in long term prison). If you include arrests and charges, we arrest over 10,000,000 people per year. At 1% false arrest rate, that is 100,000 people per year falsely arrested I gotta say besides being killed, the second worse thing would be getting put in prison for something you didnt do. Imprisoned by your own govt by your own police force.
https://www.innocenceproject.org/how...are-in-prison/

So much higher than any other Western country. What say you?

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After over 20 years in law enforcement , and over 15 years of full time criminal defense work as an attorney, I say we arrest way too many people, and put way too many of the wrong people in jail. The cash bail system we have is a travesty. It is highly ironic that a country which prides itself on personal freedom has a higher percentage of its population in prison that any other so call "less free" entities. Rant over, back to watching football.
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Good work police.
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I say dont call Police if your not willing to prosecute....no victim... no crime..... and the aforementioned numbers I would say is fair to assume that 45%are Domestic related. With that being said , harder punishment. Magically turns into a self correcting problem....
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Originally Posted by GR1FFIN View Post
...So much higher than any other Western country. What say you?
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Look Around, we don't look like any other Western nation any more. As our population continues to look more and more like third world countries, we will continue to become more and more like third world countries. Thank goodness for open borders.
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We use lots of drugs and some idiot thought waging a war on them would be better than a tax.

25% of that number are aliens
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Originally Posted by GR1FFIN View Post
We (USA) arrest over 10,000,000 people a year. And have over 2,300,000 in prison (long term real prison not jail).

We incarcerate way more people than any other country. Almost every country on this list is a little poor island or a war torn third world country-- that's the company we keep on this list.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...0-inhabitants/

Even if the rate of innocent people was only 1%, it would still be over 23,000 innocent people in prison (not arrested or charged but in long term prison). If you include arrests and charges, we arrest over 10,000,000 people per year. At 1% false arrest rate, that is 100,000 people per year falsely arrested I gotta say besides being killed, the second worse thing would be getting put in prison for something you didnt do. Imprisoned by your own govt by your own police force.
https://www.innocenceproject.org/how...are-in-prison/

So much higher than any other Western country. What say you?

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What's funny? Think about the number of people who should be arrested and aren't. A 10m prison population sounds low to me.
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Let’s do what California and New York do any basically decriminalize crime, that’ll solve it. Oh wait, those places are sh’tshows. And the notion that there are tons of innocent people in jail is bs. The fact of the matter is there’s a lot of bad people and those people deserve prison.
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Here are my thoughts and observations with over 31 years of LE with the majority working in a large metro city.

First, we spent A LOT of time dealing with RETAIL THEFT. Wal Mart would wear us out...Sometimes there was as many as 7 or 8 units tied up in various stages of the arrest process for different suspects, at the same store. We had 3 Wal Marts in my area of town.

Domestic Violence laws take away all discretion from the officer whether an arrest can be made or not. If there is the slightest of injury or a witness, an arrest must be made...

There were something like 32,000 to 35,000 arrests made every year. The State Attorneys Office tried about 900 cases a year in court the rest were plea bargained.

Also as evidenced and supported by posts on THT the average boater or poster want thieves prosecuted to the FULLEST EXTENT and.want them serving many YEARS IN PRISON... I bring this up because that is a non violent crime and as has been pointed out before everybody wants the criminal prosecuted to the fullest extent..



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Last summer a guy was on Meth and crossed the center line killing two people. Here in our community. The people were good people and completely innocent.
The perp was out on parole. He had been arrested four previous times in the previous six months.He spent a couple years for various violent crimes in 2003 and 2006 The crimes were violent crimes as well as "Non violent crimes" like dealing meth, stealing, using meth, possessing drugs.
His violent crimes were against humans and also associated with drugs, dealers, and customers.

The county jail is overcrowded and has a revolving door. The DA's that negotiated the sentences and release were quoted as saying "it's unfortunate, but that's how our system works." The judge for one of his crimes was quoted as saying "I heard he killed a couple people. That's unfortunate." Probably should just let him go for the murder of the two innocent people. What's the point? Afterall, as some genius has pointed out, there's probably many "innocent" people that have been arrested. Why bother to arrest and incarcerate anyone?

There you go. Too many people are being arrested, and the answer is the revolving door. If you are killed, injured, or a victim of this scum, well....."that's unfortunate."

The relatives and coworkers of the dead people don't really care how many arrests are made and other useless statistics.
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Originally Posted by WPBTH View Post
We use lots of drugs and some idiot thought waging a war on them would be better than a tax.

25% of that number are aliens
Drugs and property crimes (thefts and burglaries) go hand in hand with drugs whether legal drugs or not..
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I respectfully strongly disagree. I believe that is skewed statistics with a specific agenda.

There is a reason we have more people in jail. We treat our citizens and non-citizens much better than any other country.

In other countries with comparable size populations to the USA, the simply eliminate the problem from reoccurring. China, Russia and India don't use narcan, call for medical assistance or worry about the news running a story about killing a criminal. They take them into an alley and shoot the piece of shit in the head. If you look at crime statistics here in the USA, it is normally the same people that keep recommitting the crimes over and over and going back into the system. We simply don't have the purge button that these other nations have.

It is kind of funny that we get crap for having so many people involved in the legal system because we are so good to them. Sometime people can not be fixed and are too broken to release. We spend millions of dollars on feral subhumans that are killers, predators, rapists, pedophiles....... we simply dont have the stomach to do what is needed. Take for example mass murderers that will never get out of jail, why do we spend $65k per year keeping them alive. Many of these killers are in their early 20s and will spend the next 60+ years draining us of resources. We will never let them out. In Russia, India and China the problem just works itself out as the survival rate in their prisons if they make it there is so low but most are beaten to death before that.

I do not disagree with the main stream media that we have too many people in the legal system. I just think that we prevent other nations tactics from working here. They obviously work there.

Our legal system is broken and not because we are too harsh, just the opposite.



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Stiffer penalties may make people think before they commit a crime.
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Modern day Rome.
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At 330,000,000 people, stats don't appear out of whack, we are one of the few free countries that is truly a melting pot, not at all like Europe or Asia, which are typically homogeneous
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you should be taking this to a site filled with criminals, complaining to a bunch of guys that never get arrested, that police arrest too many people doesn't really make sense
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Originally Posted by willie g View Post
you should be taking this to a site filled with criminals, complaining to a bunch of guys that never get arrested, that police arrest too many people doesn't really make sense


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do you have a problem staying out of the back seat of police cars? who's trolling here
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Originally Posted by captbone View Post
I respectfully strongly disagree. I believe that is skewed statistics with a specific agenda.

There is a reason we have more people in jail. We treat our citizens and non-citizens much better than any other country.

In other countries with comparable size populations to the USA, the simply eliminate the problem from reoccurring. China, Russia and India don't use narcan, call for medical assistance or worry about the news running a story about killing a criminal.
Other countries with similar sized populations? You then mention India, China and Russia. 2 countries with over 3x the US pop and 1 with 1/3 the pop. Beyond the population issue none of these are considered developed countries. And none are Western. Compare our prison systems to other developed, western countries and you’ll see we incarcerate more for less.
And no we don’t treat are citizens better than any other country. There are plenty of countries in this world that treat their citizenry as well or better.
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