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What happens, if God forbid a 737 MAX crashes again, once they are back in service?
Old 12-09-2019, 11:57 AM
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FAA has the final say.. Probably pull them off service again. I specifically search for the A320 or A321 ​​​​​​
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Do you mean for the same reason?
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Originally Posted by TonyStark View Post
Do you mean for the same reason?
yes same reason.
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The level scrutiny that the flight management system of the 737 max is undergoing should make it one of the safest planes in the sky.

There is more risk to this thread as if flies over to the Dockside.
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Originally Posted by HS2300 View Post
yes same reason.
If the decision-makers allow the aircraft to fly with the same scenario as a possibility, then I can't imagine the consequences. I would think potentially criminal....

Boeing's Teflon is their importance to the US economy and their importance to national security. I think Boeing would survive, though it might look differently.
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Originally Posted by HS2300 View Post
Originally Posted by TonyStark View Post
Do you mean for the same reason?
yes same reason.
You mean essentially letting rookies take the controls??

That's essentially why those two planes crashed. The first one that crashed had the EXACT SAME EQUIPMENT ISSUE on a prior flight - just the DAY BEFORE, but there was a competent "guest" pilot on board and helped the two pilots understand how they are supposed to respond to that kind of an issue, and the plane was landed JUST FINE.

Based on what was learned in that crash, there was a directive to ALL who were flying those planes about a potential equipment issue and ALL pilots should have refreshed their response to that kind of an issue. The pilots of the second plane ALSO DID NOT FOLLOW PROCEDURES which resulted in the second plane crashing.

Those are the facts.

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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
You mean essentially letting rookies take the controls??

That's essentially why those two planes crashed. The first one that crashed had the EXACT SAME EQUIPMENT ISSUE on a prior flight - just the DAY BEFORE, but there was a competent "guest" pilot on board and helped the two pilots understand how they are supposed to respond to that kind of an issue, and the plane was landed JUST FINE.

Based on what was learned in that crash, there was a directing to ALL who were flying those planes about a potential equipment issue and ALL pilots should have refreshed their response to that kind of an issue. The pilots of the second plane ALSO DID NOT FOLLOW PROCEDURES which resulted in the second plane crashing.

Those are the facts.
Every aviation authority on the planet disagrees with you.
(watered down version)
The 1980's called and would like you to learn about run away trim systems. In the newer Boeings, a pilot only has to apply control column pressure opposite of trim direction to deactivate the trim system.
Boeing Rube Goldberg'd a system on to the MAX that was a big band aid to a big problem. They needed a stick pusher with the new 737's flight characteristics. They did it "on the cheap".
Boeing is pitching the 737 replacement, now referred to as the "FSA".
https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-d...7-replacement/

Boeing has off the shelf technology that would have prevented the conditions like a "run away" trim system, but I don't think they have the luxury of adding a stick pusher to a fleet type that only has a shaker with our re-certification. Hence, MCAS was born.

Sure, pilots can fix a lot of problems in the air. Boeing could have added the differences to a training event, but they never even added it to the aircraft manuals.

This screw up is causing a lot of long term harm to Boeing in the context of future orders..

UAL just ordered less than a week ago, 50 A321XLR's. BA has nothing to offer in this long range narrow body category. The A220 is gaining traction and nibbling as well...

The MAX is one of the biggest blunders Boeing ever made.
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IDK - but I read this past weekend that United placed an order with Airbus for 50 A321 XLR's. That's gotta chap your ass if you are Boeing.... Plus, the stigma attached to the 737MAX now... I'd think at a minimum Boeing would be looking to re-launch that aircraft under a different name/designation. I hear allot of people say they do not want to fly on a MAX.
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Originally Posted by Classic25 View Post
Every aviation authority on the planet disagrees with you.
That is completely untrue.

(and the rest of your post was just drivel)

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Originally Posted by Carpe Cerevisi View Post
IDK - but I read this past weekend that United placed an order with Airbus for 50 A321 XLR's. That's gotta chap your ass if you are Boeing.... Plus, the stigma attached to the 737MAX now... I'd think at a minimum Boeing would be looking to re-launch that aircraft under a different name/designation. I hear allot of people say they do not want to fly on a MAX.
That would be like putting a diesel electric motor in a steam engine, and keeping all the running gear. The 737 is about 20 years past its prime.
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
That is completely untrue.

(and the rest of your post was just drivel)
Name one.
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Originally Posted by classic25 View Post
every self appointed aviation authority on the internet disagrees with you.
fify
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Originally Posted by solarfry View Post
FAA has the final say.. Probably pull them off service again. I specifically search for the A320 or A321 ​​​​​​


A320 is a wonderful passenger friendly airplane but it has had its problems too. No novice flying this one.
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Originally Posted by Barefoot View Post
fify
Yep.. An internet fishing/boating forum should be where aviation declarations should be made, adopted and dubbed "fact".


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Originally Posted by HS2300 View Post
What happens, if God forbid a 737 MAX crashes again, once they are back in service?
I think some people will be killed, lawyers will get rich and somewhere the ground gets all scratched up.
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Just about every model of commercial airliner has crashed at one point or another. Some quite a few. New ones, very few. Some due to tech problems, pilot error, weather... and most crashes have a mix of those causes.

And life goes on. Nothing new about any of this. Still the best way to travel long distance.
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https://www.facebook.com/AirCrashDet...18894454225304

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Originally Posted by SWA737 View Post
https://www.facebook.com/AirCrashDet...18894454225304

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For you non-FB folks:

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Originally Posted by HS2300 View Post
What happens, if God forbid a 737 MAX crashes again, once they are back in service?
It wouldn't crash again for the reason of MCAS. Just like 737's don't crash from rudder hard over events anymore, and 747's don't crash from cargo door issues, and 737's roof's don't peel off from stress cracks, and A-300's don't crash anymore from ripping the rudder off, and A320's don't crash anymore from wrong configuration's on flybys, and A330's give better warnings when pitot tubes ice up,m and 767's don't crash from thrust reversers deploying mid flight, and..and...and. . Get the idea?

It may crash from many other reasons, the same exact things that have, and will bring down future aircraft of all makes and models. Most of the reasons planes crash today is pilot error unfortunately... or more sinister actions.



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