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Old 12-03-2019, 06:13 AM
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There seems to be an interesting trend dockside the last few days of people posting up threads about animals. I find the extremes of these posts somewhat interesting. There has been overwhelming condemnation of a video where two youths kick a wounded deer. Mixed reviews about some folks who killed a hunting dog on private property, posts that all feral cats, dogs, hogs should be shot on site, posts which advocate for the indiscriminate trapping and killing of coyotes and bobcats, mixed feelings on sandhill cranes and manatees, praise for helping a seal who was entangled, one humble brag about shooting wildlife out the window of a home, one about eating backyard squirrels, one about possums, one describing the taste of raccoon, the morality of hunting wildlife with or without dogs, etc.

It has me thinking, is it merely social factors and regional customs which determine what animals are considered sacred (dogs, cats, horses) while other domesticated stock can be indiscriminately butchered for food, and some wildlife that can be shot, trapped, killed poisoned, etc and left for buzzards after the sport of the kill (prairie dogs, groundhogs, raccoons, bobcats, coyotes, feral hogs, rats, etc) while other wildlife has to be pursued under a strict set of laws and used for something noble after they are killed (deer, bear, elk, moose, caribou, turkey, etc.) Then there is "protected" and "endangered" wildlife which we would all love to kill because of the damage they cause and no particular shortage in certain regions but are prevented from doing so by federal law (canadian geese, cormorants, manatees, sea lions, etc.)

What criteria determines treatment of animals.
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This should be interesting.
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Torture is very different and never acceptable.

Humanely killing pests is completely different from the deer video.
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The Tastiness of the critter?
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All animals if needed to be killed should be done so in an ethical as possible manner. Even Harley riders.
Old 12-03-2019, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by captbone View Post
Torture is very different and never acceptable.

Humanely killing pests is completely different from the deer video.
So are glue traps for mice humane?
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Originally Posted by 1blueheron View Post
What criteria determines treatment of animals.
IMO it's a combination of their usefulness to humans, hopefully balanced with their position/appropriateness in the local eco system. Of course their general intelligence greatly plays into the usefulness to humans aspect.

As for specific examples, wild hogs are not native anywhere in the US. They are simultaneously destructive to crops & the ecosystem as a whole pretty much everywhere, while not being all that great to eat or valuable in any other way. Therefor, the goal is for all of them to be exterminated. Same for Coyotes in many locations. For instance I am in SC. They are not native here, are destructive to livestock, favorable wildlife populations, etc. Therefor they to must die.
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Cute furry animals with the big eyes get a pass.
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Originally Posted by 1blueheron View Post
So are glue traps for mice humane?
I will use snap traps without issue. If I had mice that were destructive and trap shy, I would use a glue trap, check it often and dispatch the animal quickly if needed. Still very different from torturing and getting joy out of seeing an animal suffer.
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Originally Posted by Istockpoga View Post
All animals if needed to be killed should be done so in an ethical as possible manner. Even Harley riders.
Bring it putz!
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life isn't fair
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OP, the same thought crossed my
mind as well
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The older I get,the less I want to kill anything.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
IMO it's a combination of their usefulness to humans, hopefully balanced with their position/appropriateness in the local eco system. Of course their general intelligence greatly plays into the usefulness to humans aspect.

As for specific examples, wild hogs are not native anywhere in the US. They are simultaneously destructive to crops & the ecosystem as a whole pretty much everywhere, while not being all that great to eat or valuable in any other way. Therefor, the goal is for all of them to be exterminated. Same for Coyotes in many locations. For instance I am in SC. They are not native here, are destructive to livestock, favorable wildlife populations, etc. Therefor they to must die.
I have always wondered if cats, the domestic or feral domestic are native to North America.
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Originally Posted by Finsinchessy View Post
I have always wondered if cats, the domestic or feral domestic are native to North America.
They are definitely natives of hell. Spawn of the devil himself.
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Originally Posted by Finsinchessy View Post
I have always wondered if cats, the domestic or feral domestic are native to North America.
Most domestic and feral cats are not native. They are extremely damaging to the ecosystem and they are not very tastey and they pose a danger to humans. According to Autobahns logic, they should all be dispatched as quickly as possible and left for the buzzards.

As for wild hogs, I did a brief trip in the GSM national forest my denior year in colleg with the biology club. We met with a wildlife biologist in Tennessee. He explained to us the great mangement disaster taking place in the GSM park as North Carolina encouraged Hog hunts for profit and hogs were actually being stocked to further this commercial enterprise while on the Tennessee side of the border, they were paying sharp shooters to go in and eliminate as many wild hogs as possible and using traps to trap herds of them. I guess it depends on which side of the economic argument you fall as to whether or not hogs are beneficial. And I don't for one minute believe that wild hogs are not useful for food. They are very tastey!! Wild boar sausauge is lean, healthy and very palatable as is the bacon. I will take as much wild boar meat as you would like to give me. No need for it to go to waste when we have people going hungry and on food stamps.

Deer are overpopulated nearly as bad as hogs if not worse. Same goes for black bear in many areas. By the same logic, humans are overpopulated and very destructive to the environment as well, perhaps we should allow human hunting permits? I can envision helicopters flying over trailer parks with rifles blazing as they take out "feral humans" who find it OK to kick a wounded deer in the head or stomp possums or cats. Or perhaps human sized glue traps to exterminate some of the human vermin in the inner city areas? Is this the logic of the world we live in?
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Do onto others as you would want others to do to you....applies to animals and life in general
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I read this this morning. Despicable!! Not even sure what they do with the meat.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ad-despite-ban
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depends on whether Disney made a movie about the animal or not
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The most destructive animals are humans! Perhaps another species can come along and solve earths problems by culling the herd!

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