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Old 11-21-2019, 07:08 AM
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Default guess they caught too many crooks

is it really a privacy issue or just trying to help the criminals out a bit?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/senator-bl...190621652.html

honestly I have no issue if someone has a camera on their porch. never worried about my image being taken etc. than again I am not there to do anything illegal.
Old 11-21-2019, 07:24 AM
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Ring is no different than any one of the other multiple brands of cameras available. Camera's are everywhere and they record random people all the time when attached to a commercial building, business or traffic light. There are even camera's on Duvall Street in Key West (and many other places) that broadcast live images over the internet for all to see. I don't see a problem with them, then again I'm not a criminal, doing anything illegal and have no warrants for my arrest.
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So the issue if I read it correctly isn't that video is being recorded - it's that Law Enforcement can access this video without a warrant & they can then share that video with whomever they want.

They are picking on Ring specifically because Ring makes the data available to Law Enforcement whereas any other random camera the LEO's would need to contact the camera owner & ask for the footage.

I've never understood why someone would hook one of these (or many others) to their home network to begin with - but to each his own.
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The rapid increase in the deployment of tech like this is a legitimate concern when it comes to privacy.

I’m not sure the arguments made in this article are the right ones, but we should all be somewhat concerned at how easy we are to track individually.

Between google, amazon, and apple - it is not difficult to recreate your day hour by hour. Your cell phone tracks the majority of that already, but adding cloud facial recognition to that means they can “confirm” it is you and will even know what you’re wearing every day. Kind of creepy - luckily today the biggest applications are advertising but doubtless it’ll be used against you other ways in the future.
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Heck if anyone wants to film my boring life they can have at it.

Plus I look good on film.
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Originally Posted by Brass Monkey View Post
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I've never understood why someone would hook one of these (or many others) to their home network to begin with - but to each his own.
To have a doorbell, and see who's at the door and in my space.
Doesn't seem too complex.
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He's worried about my camera but not about the ones govt. uses all the time???

I don't think the police should have access to my door bell unless I grant it, I also don't think they should be allowed to sell my data.
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My issue is "consent" and that I have not given it.

There are even camera's on Duvall Street in Key West (and many other places) that broadcast live images over the internet for all to see.
Now I have no idea where this would stream on the net but I have to assume there is revenue being generated from the hits. Well if I were on there I would be a subject that has not consented and yet I would be contributing to their profits. And that is the part that I don't like! My body is exploited for another person's gains without consent.
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
To have a doorbell, and see who's at the door and in my space.
Doesn't seem too complex.
Simple - to people who don't understand the cyber security issues.

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The S.Ct. has ruled individuals have no expectation of privacy when out in public. The cameras record people in public. What the police are asking for is no different than if an officer was there viewing it directly or a witness was providing such information. Zero legal issue with cameras recording people in public. I agree with others, record me all you want. I am not breaking any laws so have at it. If the cameras prevent or solve a crime all the better. Isn't just about every square foot of NYC covered by camera?
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On the surface it seems like a no big deal issue but when you dig deeper you can start to see the effects of a big brother state. I already work on AI for street view maps where the software recognizes faces, licence plates and other information and blurs it out. If all of these camera doorbells can allow access to third parties and the same AI engine is applied then there is more data out there about you. Imagine if the cops used every ones doorbell to read plates and mail fines for overdue registrations or if your employer was able to buy reports on this data of when their employees come and go during the workweek.

Do you know how google maps and others know traffic conditions? Your cell carrier is selling them the data of where you are and how fast you are moving when added with thousands of other users paints a picture of how freely traffic is moving.

A few years back a county on Long Island was using google earth to issue fines for people who put up unpermitted pools.

China uses cameras, AI and facial recognition for its Social Credit System where the government rewards good behavior such as allowing people on high-speed trains, loans and the ability to fly and punishes it by travel bans, exclusion from schools. It also encourages people to spy on their neighbors. The Nazi's did the same thing, created an environment where spying on your neighbors and turning them in was rewarded.
What if Corporate America used all of this data to develop a private social credit score? It would create an environment where you could be denied the ability to do business with a company or be employed by them due to their ability to gather all of this data on you.

If you don't see an issue with all of your data/movements being captured I strongly recommend you look into the China Social Credit System.
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Originally Posted by Brass Monkey View Post
Simple - to people who don't understand the cyber security issues.
Yeah...things are typically simpler when one uses a formulaic approach to risk assessment to not sit hamstrung by boogy men.
The probability of my ring doorbell creating a consequence I give a shit about is about equal to my home being struck by a meteor.
I don't have a meteor umbrella. Maybe I'm just ignorant about celestial orbit decay and atmospheric friction.

On the other hand...watching the endless flow of UPS guys tossing shit on my porch and having a record of delivery has real value to me.
Having the ability for my wife and daughter to identify who's on the porch or in my driveway has real value.
I can sit and monitor my beach house and my home even when I'm not there...see? Value as part of a risk evaluation.

You don't want one? Don't get one.

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Originally Posted by Lorne Greene View Post
On the surface it seems like a no big deal issue but when you dig deeper you can start to see the effects of a big brother state. I already work on AI for street view maps where the software recognizes faces, licence plates and other information and blurs it out. If all of these camera doorbells can allow access to third parties and the same AI engine is applied then there is more data out there about you. Imagine if the cops used every ones doorbell to read plates and mail fines for overdue registrations or if your employer was able to buy reports on this data of when their employees come and go during the workweek.


A few years back a county on Long Island was using google earth to issue fines for people who put up unpermitted pools.

not to over simplify but, those examples in your post were of someone doing something illegal or wrong, and the cameras were used to catch them. where is the issue?
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not to over simplify but, those examples in your post were of someone doing something illegal or wrong, and the cameras were used to catch them. where is the issue?
...yep. On the other side of the coin, imagine the number of innocent guys that can now have alibis to their whereabouts.
The right to privacy isn't there to protect the guilty.

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Aww the warm embrace of a Police state. I love the "If you aren't commiting a crime, why do you care?". Sleep well comrades. Big Brother will show you the way...
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Aww the warm embrace of a Police state. I love the "If you aren't commiting a crime, why do you care?". Sleep well comrades. Big Brother will show you the way...
What tripe.
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The senator is running IT"s mouth.
Possibly, IT or a devoted supporter got caught walking an extra wife down the wrong street. IT politely does not mention the 11 traffic cameras at just one intersection which IT voted for. Guess IT will remove the backup camera,, which IT voted for, from IT"s own car.
And all the millions of other cameras which are out there to help all of the poor peons and are monitored by everyone including Google.

Good Luck to the Human Beings
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Also, if it records audio as well, that is an issue. Laws in many states are far more restrictive as to what you can record audio of vs just video.
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
What tripe.
LOL, I expected you to respond. You're the citizen George orwell writes about.
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Originally Posted by netjob View Post
LOL, I expected you to respond. You're the citizen George orwell writes about.
Sure I am Neo.

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