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Old 11-18-2019, 08:01 AM
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Default FWC is not immune to possible citizen abuse....

This happened down at my neck of the woods. Not sure what the final outcome will be but it doesn't look good to me...
https://thebluepaper.com/new-develop...qp2Ec7vQTwXSgE
Old 11-18-2019, 08:23 AM
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So someone calls in a welfare check of a person who is possibly suicidal. (Fact)

FWC and MCSO responded, so there are numerous units on scene and numerous witnesses and at least some have cameras.

There is prior background between LE and this man.

He seems to have a minor warrant and LE says he was threatening to blow everyone up.

After being shot he denies threatening to blow people up with gas can.

I can also assure you it is normal for normal office personnel to NOT have a camera assigned to them. It also would NOT be strange on such a serious call for a supervisor to go on this kind of call due to the background and possible seriousness.

I would also assume he ride with a field officer who has video.

Already abuse of power huh....

Also just FYI, FDLE, they have very few experienced Agents that have any experience in homicide investigations or other related on the street training, so do not think their ruling either way is much of a guarantee..

Video footage will come out but of course your bias comes through..
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Don't threaten to blow up the police when they come to see you.

Bet the guy was an ex felon.
Old 11-18-2019, 08:34 AM
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Nah....you seem to be the one who has made up their mind to defend FWC without knowing sh!t...unsurprisingly. If you actually read the story...a LOT of things are being denied by the one that got shot. Also...locals down here know the situation pretty well almost all seem to agree that Dipree (FWC officer) was at fault.
But hell....when did public sentiment ever matter to you? As long as you hold the gun and have an army behind you. BTW...did you see the video of the other example in the story? I guess we will forget about that. Or the other two stories of abuse in the same article.
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Cracker. You are usually a little more objective.

who said he was suicidal?
why was he on the phone filing a complaint just one hour before this happened?

i did not know what happened to cause this. I have a guess , but not enough information to form an opinion.
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I can tell you from first hand experience that from what I've seen, Key West cops are generally all pricks with bad attitudes. Last time I was in KW was for a bachelor party for almost all Miami Dade firemen. When one of the group got a little mouthy with a cop they literally beat the crap out of him, hog tied him and threw him in the back of a squad car. And them charged him with felony battery, even though there was none. It almost cost the guy his job and he ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor. I've got zero interest in ever going back to that third world sh*thole.
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Anyone else read Dipre as sounding like diaper?
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The Bounds guy looks and sounds like a real pillar of the community.

Some LEOs are pricks. Did you guys just now come to this revelation? What professional group doesn't have pricks?

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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
Cracker. You are usually a little more objective.

who said he was suicidal?
why was he on the phone filing a complaint just one hour before this happened?

i did not know what happened to cause this. I have a guess , but not enough information to form an opinion.
I think they were responding to a call or complaint of a "Welfare check" on someone who is "reportedly" suicidal only going on the article which may be totally inaccurate. Never seen LE just do a welfare check without a citizen complaint.

Even if they were going to arrest on the warrant, the officer seems to have indicated he wanted to blow them up..Again there was video from other officers apparently, easily justified or not..

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Originally Posted by raystein View Post
The Bounds guy looks and sounds like a real pillar of the community.

Some LEOs are pricks. Did you guys just now come to this revelation? What professional group doesn't have pricks?
Agreed..
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Originally Posted by raystein View Post
Some LEOs are pricks. Did you guys just now come to this revelation? What professional group doesn't have pricks?
The thing is, pricks tend to self-select into LEOs.
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I'm withholding any opinion on the matter. Plenty of times it looks bad before the facts are released, every news outlet seems to be anti-leo, and i'll end up sounding like a jackass.

I'm just curious if the officers were welcomed into the boat and what the difference is between a liveaboard boat vs a house. Seems like FWC can just open your door to your home(a boat in this case) which is BS.

Might be slightly off topic but I wonder if they would have treated this with more care if it was someone's house.
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Originally Posted by MrWesson View Post
I'm withholding any opinion on the matter. Plenty of times it looks bad before the facts are released, every news outlet seems to be anti-leo, and i'll end up sounding like a jackass.

I'm just curious if the officers were welcomed into the boat and what the difference is between a liveaboard boat vs a house. Seems like FWC can just open your door to your home(a boat in this case) which is BS.

Might be slightly off topic but I wonder if they would have treated this with more care if it was someone's house.
That's where "possibly suicidal" comes in.

So they can claim exigent circumstances and demand/force entry.
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Wow those guys are serious about getting your tickets paid in a timely manner.
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Originally Posted by MrWesson View Post
Seems like FWC can just open your door to your home(a boat in this case) which is BS.
In Illinois, where I am originally from, it used to be that a conservation officer doesn't need a warrant to enter a home.
Not sure if it is still the same.

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Originally Posted by KBH View Post
I can tell you from first hand experience that from what I've seen, Key West cops are generally all pricks with bad attitudes. Last time I was in KW was for a bachelor party for almost all Miami Dade firemen. When one of the group got a little mouthy with a cop they literally beat the crap out of him, hog tied him and threw him in the back of a squad car. And them charged him with felony battery, even though there was none. It almost cost the guy his job and he ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor. I've got zero interest in ever going back to that third world sh*thole.
I love Key West. Have been many times and will go many more. I stand ZERO percent chance of being beaten up by one of their officers.
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
Video footage will come out but of course your bias comes through..
Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
Don't threaten to blow up the police when they come to see you.

Bet the guy was an ex felon.
Irony. Above, you chastise someone for already making up their mind. By liking the next statement, it would appear you have as well. And you repeat that throughout the thread.

Situation seems strange/excessive and hopefully there is more than the word of both parties to go on.

With the info given, I don't see use of deadly force as a first option. Was this a guy holding a gas can (harmless on its own) or was he also holding something to light it with? I'm not seeing any mention of anything other than a gas can, which they can't be sure is or isn't empty.

Is the new de-escalate/create a safe situation just to shoot someone? It was a welfare check, to check the welfare. When they get there, if this scenario is accurate, why isn't the protocol to back off and reassess the situation? It isn't a long range weapon like a gun, or hell, even a bow and arrow.

Hopefully we get more unbiased info, like camera footage.
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17 years in KW and I haven't yet been beaten up by the "prick" cops.
One way that I mitigate any chance of that ever happening is by not being a drunk, mouthy asshole to a police officer.
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Due to my business, I have a lot of encounters with FWC LEOs. Often my activity would otherwise appear to be very suspicious. Sometimes they can be jerks, but even in the most suspicious of circumstances, they are nearly always professional and respectful of me and my vehicle/property.
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Originally Posted by coores14 View Post
17 years in KW and I haven't yet been beaten up by the "prick" cops.
One way that I mitigate any chance of that ever happening is by not being a drunk, mouthy asshole to a police officer.
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