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My 10 year old daughter has a gift for training animals. She has a German Shepherd at her mom's house that she will spend countless hours training. It is very amazing to see that dog run through a complicated obstacle course and then turn around and run it the opposite way. I have always had Mutts and never a pure bred dog. She seems to think a Border Collie would be the best for us (her). We have a huge lot with plenty of water and can accommodate most any breed.
Can I get the pro's and con's of a Border Collie from the THT crowd?
Old 11-09-2019, 06:55 PM
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give them a job and they do it. very Smart, Can be aggressive to anything or anyone they see as a threat.
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We have one.

Pros - very intelligent and easy to train. Just the right size. They don’t tend to smell. Very protective.

Cons - high energy....they need to be exercised and mentally stimulated. They are not a couch dog and can be destructive when ignored. Very needy.

We also have a border collie/golden retriever mix. Perfect dog. All the pros of the border collie but much more relaxed around the house.
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Great dogs, but energetic and require your time. It sounds like a perfect match when she’s there. Are you ready for it when she isn’t? Good luck with whatever. Your daughter sounds like a great kid.
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Awesome dogs. Just need a job all the time. Not a couple hours a day. All the time.
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Great dogs, but energetic and require your time. It sounds like a perfect match when she’s there. Are you ready for it when she isn’t? Good luck with whatever. Your daughter sounds like a great kid.
Great question? She is with me 50 percent of the time. She will train her German Shepherd for 7 hrs straight on a Saturday. So much that her mom will make her stop and give the dog a break. I have to think really hard about the 50 percent time she is away. I am definitely outside a lot after work but usually house projects and fishing. I can throw a stick in the water for 20 min or so but really not much in to any type of training. It would have a 1/2 acre or so fenced in during the day when we are not here. I do come home for lunch quite a bit and could prob give it 15 min of attention then. But heck, I see people with Lab's that are house dogs and never off a leash when outside. That is a whole different subject and probably what is making pure dog breeds feeble and vet prone.
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Awesome dogs. Just need a job all the time. Not a couple hours a day. All the time.
Not really sure what you are saying? Should she drop out of school and me quit my job in order to raise a Border Collie?
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Superb dogs. Super smart. Some say Belgiums, etc. are smarter. I disagree.
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I had one for 14 years. Smart, very smart. As others have said they need a lot of work/playtime. Mine would play all day then in the evening, I'd be watching TV and she'd drop a soft frisbee at my feet. I'd throw it up over the railing in the loft above the great room. She'd run up the stairs, fetch and bring it back.....as long as I kept throwing , she'd bring it back. Love the breed but I don't have the energy anymore to have one. If daughter gets one, hopefully she can get into agility training.
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I've had border collies for the last 22 years....great dogs. Easy to train and need to play outside every day. If your daughter is obsessive, it's a perfect fit. As with any breed, some dogs are better than others. We've had one that was brilliant, but neurotic...noises/loud talking freaked him out and he would lick/chew walls/baseboards. We had one that was 'all border collie' in activities/herding, but really was not that smart(compared to other BCs). Our current dog is the best we've had...super smart, active, but a bit 'grumpy' with other dogs.

If she does get one...I recommend teaching it how to play Frisbee....wears them out and a good daily activity to satiate the herding instinct. She'll go through frisbees...the best prices are the misprints on dtworld.com...I buy 100 at a time...
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Originally Posted by Boat Hound View Post
Awesome dogs. Just need a job all the time. Not a couple hours a day. All the time.
^^^^^^^^ This! best dog I ever had. Loved to play hide n seek with my two young daughters
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Not really sure what you are saying? Should she drop out of school and me quit my job in order to raise a Border Collie?
to keep the dog sane, yes. They are a handful left to their own. That’s why this breed is not practical for 99.99% of people. They are great dogs, just need to be focused and if your not their to do it, they will find something.
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I am nearing 50YO and grew up on a working cattle farm. Our family has had more BC's than I can remember. Some better than others but none that I recall being "bad". I never recall having to spend all this time the above posters mention with them and no they did not work cows all day. They would lay around just like the rest of them. The one difference maybe for us is they all lived outside and were never confined as we have a 600 acre farm. This could make a big difference but as I said I don't find them any different than all the others except they are more intelligent than most breeds.

Regarding the statement about them "getting into things". I have come home on many occasions to find a herd of cows ganged up in a corner with the BC laying there "guarding them"
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My next dog will be a border collie. My neighbor has one that is very smart and pure energy. She is my favorite lake dog.

Hmm.. I may be approaching a time where I cannot provide a border collie the energy it needs. I am told the border collie will find other means to expel energy that may be less than conducive to the longevity of furniture.

Great dogs if you can keep them engaged.
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BC is a dog that should go along with you often. My experience is not the wrecking the house but I do think they like it best outside.

I currently have a female jack Russell BC cross. Hands down best behaved dog ever for me. She goes anywhere I go unless it's going to be to hot in the vehicle for her and I can't have her out with me. I have for 10 yrs taken her on the trapline often 150 plus days per year. She obeys. Loves to ride the 4 wheeler .Not much grit. She will engage but if she gets bit she will "herd", circle and bark and if I say stop or no she backs away. ( this has kept me a good dog as a hard head would get themselves hurt badly) When I say load up she hits the truck or atv. If I say sit or lay she does so and it has kept her safe and me sane. She is more intelligent than the other 4 dogs we have. Solving problems of how to traverse or get to difficult to reach objects with ease. No one gets in my vehicle when she is left alone there. For whatever reason she is protective of our ride. She might see a cat and give chase but a command to stop or come back and it's over. Let me tell you having a dog that wants to chase but can be handled to behave is not so common. Most that will are hell to stop. Those that don't give chase are usually plain lazy and overall worthless except for lap dogging. She is content to lay and rest all the day but ready to go also. If she does not like someone I take it serious as over the years she has proven she can spot a thief or up to no good when I can't. Generally she loves everyone and everyone loves her.

Anyway I could go on and on but I bored you enough. Dont be hesitant to get a BC. But do work and train it. ( not the agility stuff , let the child enjoy that) Do take time to learn the dog basic commands. Stop, go, come, sit , lay etc. BC wants badly to please you and be praised for it. Be firm . When they know they displeased you the are ashamed. Just remember to be dog clear as it's very confusing and heartbreaking to them to feel punished and not know why.
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We got a Border Collie shortly after Buster Douglas beat Tyson's a$$, we named him Buster. Good, smart, loyal dog.
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not the same dog but kinda close , I got a astralian cattle dog 2 years ago Im 58years old this dog has got me In the best shape since I was 25 yrs old , they do need a job he stays within 2 feet of my wife all day but when I get home its either biking or walking or just playing, rain or shine , I love hearding dogs. an when the sun stars going down its like a switch was thrown hes done.
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Originally Posted by twollman View Post
Pros - very intelligent and easy to train. Just the right size. They don’t tend to smell. Very protective.
Cons - high energy....they need to be exercised and mentally stimulated. They are not a couch dog and can be destructive when ignored. Very needy.

^^^^THIS^^^^^
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We have one.

Pros - very intelligent and easy to train. Just the right size. They don’t tend to smell. Very protective.

Cons - high energy....they need to be exercised and mentally stimulated. They are not a couch dog and can be destructive when ignored. Very needy.

We also have a border collie/golden retriever mix. Perfect dog. All the pros of the border collie but much more relaxed around the house.
This. They are high energy. Don't underestimate that. We had them and also Australian Shepherds on the farm. They would herd animals out of instinct. They just needed training on where to herd them!
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Get some goats or sheep, smartest dog in the world can learn up to 400 commands, kind of like a chimpanzee

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