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Old 11-08-2019, 09:52 PM
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I received a job offer via email from a local company that is a major competitor to the company that I work for now. I took the job I have now because it's a small family owned company and I really like my job. I was just given responsibility for buying and inventory control of 3X more products than I was buying. I also have several accounts that I have been directly calling on and I have had great success but I like negotiating and doing the stuff that a purchasing agent is supposed to do.. The job offer is an inside sales position and the company that made me the offer knows how valuable my product knowledge is and they have had to let go 2 people in less than a year because they just weren't learning what the company expected.

I didn't need really any training to do the job I do now and I wouldn't need much training if I took the other job other than relearning the SAP system. My current boss said I would get a performance review in 90 days that never happened and for my 1 year anniversary I was given 3X more responsibility and still haven't gotten my review. I took the job knowing the pay but I have proven I can do the job and with the added responsibility the company was able to cut one person from my department and they moved another person into a different position. I am not entirely interested in doing inside sales but it would be really nice to be given the raise I was expecting after 90 days and/or with my 1 year anniversary.

I don't recall ever having to ask for a raise since my performance was obvious and I didn't need to ask for more money. I would like my boss and the company owner to know that I'm being pursued by one of their biggest competitors but is this something I should tell them? Is there a better way to handle the situation? I really like the company and I don't want to leave but I feel like I'm not being paid what I'm worth.

I know several guys on THT have been in this situation so I'm curious how you handled it, or if you have a suggestion on how I should handle it?
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Place I worked for over 20 yrs was supposed to give review every yr. Never happened. Usually would get "delayed" for some reason and maybe after 3-4 yrs u might get one. Review was all BS.I was told by a mgr they were never allowed to give an employee a top rating in any area, which I kinda get. And when they did give you a raise it was minor. After a few yrs I caught on. I started asking for a review/raise and they would put it off., eventually over 4 months. I finally called em out and said I want it today or I'm going home and you can call me when you figure it out. I shut my PC off and walked out the door. The mgr stopped me and pulled me in office and there was my review, all filled out and has been for months. At that point I figured out the game. From that point on every 2 yrs I didn't ask for a raise, I requested one. The review thing is BS.

I hated having to play that game. I would ask your mgr for the review and if they put it off take the other job.
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I know what it is to be the boss and want to give raises to people. I also know what it is like to be in a business with declining revenues and profits. Is the reason you aren't getting a raise because your company isn't thriving, or growing at a 10 percent or more level in revenues and profits?
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My area is a center for the manufacture and machining for a certain industrial metal . There are a number of businesses but one is much larger than the others . The community all knows what the others are doing . This year one of the shops lost 2 key office / management personal - there was a couple months between them , both had been there 15 or so years . Before the second one had their last day the large business made an offer to a third key 10 yr employee that they couldn't refuse and took - larger company maybe smelling blood in the water and setting up an opportunity for a buy out or steal accounts . The small company (7 mil/yr sales) survived fine after some shake up and the lg company laid off the person they stole .

The first person was burned out and went to a similar but not the same type of company , that actually does business with the previous one , and is doing fine .

The second is fine also and went into a diff business but before they left they had a meeting with the owners and was offered $15 K yr increase . The company had been remiss in raises for some time . After the shake up all the employee's were given raises , company wide , so ...

The third I haven't heard from .

Just food for thought .
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You could just sit down with your boss and tell him you have been head hunted and are talking to the other company. Just giving him a friendly bit of notice as you like your current company and want to be up front with them.
Most likely he will ask why you might leave. At that stage tell him that you are dissapointed that the promised review never happened, that you have been working hard to improve your value, and that company B is offering a much better salary. At that point his reaction will tell you whether he is going to negotiate a better deal with you or whether they dont value you enough to do that.
it can be easy for a company to see your value as being only what they are paying you. An upfront and honest discussion should trigger a reassessment of that. While you are talking, get a handshake agreement that you will have an annual salary review that discusses both inflation and any improved productivity. If your value is what you think it is you should be able to have quite easy discussions once you have agreed to do them. After 12 months you just tell your boss that your review is due and when does he want to catch up for a chat.

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Place I worked for over 20 yrs was supposed to give review every yr. Never happened. Usually would get "delayed" for some reason and maybe after 3-4 yrs u might get one. Review was all BS.I was told by a mgr they were never allowed to give an employee a top rating in any area, which I kinda get. And when they did give you a raise it was minor. After a few yrs I caught on. I started asking for a review/raise and they would put it off., eventually over 4 months. I finally called em out and said I want it today or I'm going home and you can call me when you figure it out. I shut my PC off and walked out the door. The mgr stopped me and pulled me in office and there was my review, all filled out and has been for months. At that point I figured out the game. From that point on every 2 yrs I didn't ask for a raise, I requested one. The review thing is BS.

I hated having to play that game. I would ask your mgr for the review and if they put it off take the other job.
I actually donít care about getting a performance review, I totally agree they are BS anyway. The company told me I would likely get a raise after 90 days but I figured they would get to it but now itís been over a year and I havenít been told anything about an increase. I was sure when I got the huge increase in responsibility an increase would be coming but still nothing.

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I know what it is to be the boss and want to give raises to people. I also know what it is like to be in a business with declining revenues and profits. Is the reason you aren't getting a raise because your company isn't thriving, or growing at a 10 percent or more level in revenues and profits?
company sales are up almost 15% and I am bringing in sales and profit with customers they have never done business with prior to me being hired. I have been working on 2 large projects with one of my outside sales accounts that could be worth close to $2M in additional business that they would not have even get a sniff of if I didnít work there. I was hired in to do purchasing but was asked if I had relationships with six customers they have tried to get business from for 30+ years so I agreed to visit the customers and I have been getting business from all of them with a lot more to come.

I think I will give them another week or 2 and if they donít offer me anything I will have to say something.
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Russ, why wait another week or two? Have a meeting on Monday and tell the truth. I did this, that, and the other thing. I was not given the 90 day raise and I've been here over a year. I have a job offer from a competitor for a bunch more money. If I don't get a raise by Thursday, you'll have my 2 week notice on Friday.

Remember, you might be okay waiting another week or two, but the new company might not be. Or they might find someone else while you are hoping blindly for your present company to all of a sudden begin to treat you properly.

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One question before an actual response.

Do you have a non-compete agreement with your current employer?
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Never burn a bridge. Tell your current employer that you're considering another employment and include the conversation about a review an possible raise. If you don't get a firm, positive response then make your move. You're asking the question, so you really don't want to make the move (or feel insecurely about it) or you have some question as to the legitimacy of it. Ask the offerer for a face to face to fully understand their offer including benefits and long range goals.
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Old 11-09-2019, 04:59 AM
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I think I will give them another week or 2 and if they donít offer me anything I will have to say something.
Why wait? Just be straight with them.
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Russ- Stop waiting for the company to reward you for your work. Put together your own performance review. You know why you were hired and how you met the initial expectations. You know what responsibilities have been added to your job. It sounds like you can point to specific value you have brought to the company. Show the data, then tell the boss you want a raise and give him a number. If you're a good negotiator and the company is in the financial position to give you a raise, you'll get one. Just understand that this is what you'll need to do to get raises in the future.

Don't volunteer information on the job offer you have. If you bring it up, it sounds like a threat and many bosses resent threats from employees. If the boss is at all sharp, he'll ask if you've been offered a job. Then, it's OK to say "yes, but I'd rather stay here and be fairly paid for the value I'm bringing this company" or words to that effect. If the boss won't give the raise, you have your answer and that's when you decide whether to stay or go. If the answer is "go", that's when you accept the other job, give 2 weeks notice and reject any last-minute offers made to change your mind.

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I actually donít care about getting a performance review, I totally agree they are BS anyway. The company told me I would likely get a raise after 90 days but I figured they would get to it but now itís been over a year and I havenít been told anything about an increase. I was sure when I got the huge increase in responsibility an increase would be coming but still nothing.


company sales are up almost 15% and I am bringing in sales and profit with customers they have never done business with prior to me being hired. I have been working on 2 large projects with one of my outside sales accounts that could be worth close to $2M in additional business that they would not have even get a sniff of if I didnít work there. I was hired in to do purchasing but was asked if I had relationships with six customers they have tried to get business from for 30+ years so I agreed to visit the customers and I have been getting business from all of them with a lot more to come.

I think I will give them another week or 2 and if they donít offer me anything I will have to say something.
If you wait 2 weeks will the other position still be available? Might be time to discuss wages now without mentioning your offer to get a feel for what the future might bring in your current position
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Sounds like you are a bit under appreciated. I would make some kind of move with your boss before those new contracts sign on , use that as leverage. Once they are signed lost your leverage
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Companies are often short sided, when I owned my company and a well performing employee brought to my attention their pay I would review and increase accordingly. I always followed through on anything I promised I would.

fast forward to now I work for a $4billion company and have surpassed my sales and ebitda targets by more than any other business unit in the company 3 years running and have the largest ebitda percentage of any business unit in the company. I have a 3 year contract with an earn out that I hit 6 months early. I have been forthright with my boss that I need more compensation in order to stick around and he has lowballed me even after I gave him a target all along claiming that we had an agreement for 3 years even though I surpassed my target by 100%. This short sightedness will cost them in real dollars as myself and brother (2nd in command) plan to resign early 2020 and they have no one backing us up.

the sad part is nothing you can do.
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Communicate.

Employer probably doesn't know you are disappointed.

All the things you do for the Company :now" might have been really what you were hired to do and you finally are operating at the level they think you should be.

Seems like poor communication from the start. You are as guilty as they are about that. Fix it.
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You either want to stay or not it really is that simple. Don't over think it. The rest is up to you.
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Not having a review that is promised is not good. Some of that may be your own fault for letting it go that long. Life is short and you may need to provide feedback to your current employer in a polite and tactful way.

Here is a bigger question: Are you happy when you go to work every day? Or is it just a job.
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Russ- Stop waiting for the company to reward you for your work. Put together your own performance review. You know why you were hired and how you met the initial expectations. You know what responsibilities have been added to your job. It sounds like you can point to specific value you have brought to the company. Show the data, then tell the boss you want a raise and give him a number. If you're a good negotiator and the company is in the financial position to give you a raise, you'll get one. Just understand that this is what you'll need to do to get raises in the future.

Don't volunteer information on the job offer you have. If you bring it up, it sounds like a threat and many bosses resent threats from employees. If the boss is at all sharp, he'll ask if you've been offered a job. Then, it's OK to say "yes, but I'd rather stay here and be fairly paid for the value I'm bringing this company" or words to that effect. If the boss won't give the raise, you have your answer and that's when you decide whether to stay or go. If the answer is "go", that's when you accept the other job, give 2 weeks notice and reject any last-minute offers made to change your mind.

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I agree with Yarcraft91. Tell them what you want and deserve. If your performance is as described they will reward you. If they dont you dont want to work there longterm. The competing offer could cloud the issue, and you dont want them to give you a raise/bonus for that reason. If they dont reward you immediately, go with the other company as long as you think they are stable.
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