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My daughter just moved into a new to her house and asked me to build a gate for her deck to keep her dogs contained and to keep my future granddaughter from escaping. Opening is 36' wide and approx. 36" tall. My initial thought was to build it from PT 1x4's w/balusters to match the existing railings and hinge it on the left (in the pic) so it swings inward. I don't want to over build it and have it sag as it ages but it needs to be sturdy enough to contain a well-behaved 75 lb. Airedale. Open to any and all suggestions.


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I built one when my kids were little. I think your idea is probably fine. I did a 2x4 frame with lattice in the middle because i had it lying around. It was heavy though with the 2x4.
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keeping a dog inside a 3 foot gate could be problematic.
I had a Black and Tan hound years ago that would go over a 6 ft picket fence all day long
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I use a small cable with a turn buckle to keep the gate from sagging. Goes diagonal from top hinge side to bottom latch side .
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Just get one of those plastic gates for keeping kids from going up stairs. You'll just be taking it off again in a few years anyway.

Congrats on granddaughter.

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I would probably use cedar or cypress. Much lighter and doesn’t warp near as bad as pt pine , unless you can find some kiln dried after treated.
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I wouldn't hinge it at all. I would have your gate on a roller (leading lower corner) and have it slide back and forth from the right. That way the gate takes up basically zero space and you don't have to step back to open it, just slide it. Make a small channel on the left side for the gate to fit into when closed, this will secure the gate and keep it aligned when closed.
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Originally Posted by The Bermudian View Post
I use a small cable with a turn buckle to keep the gate from sagging. Goes diagonal from top hinge side to bottom latch side .
x2 That was part of the original plan if I used heavier lumber.
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Originally Posted by Cobia 217 View Post
My daughter just moved into a new to her house and asked me to build a gate for her deck to keep her dogs contained and to keep my future granddaughter from escaping. Opening is 36' wide and approx. 36" tall. My initial thought was to build it from PT 1x4's w/balusters to match the existing railings and hinge it on the left (in the pic) so it swings inward. I don't want to over build it and have it sag as it ages but it needs to be sturdy enough to contain a well-behaved 75 lb. Airedale. Open to any and all suggestions.
I did something similar for our dogs. I used 2x4 top and bottom and connected with 1x1 balusters, matching the railing. I would recommend something similar with your application, match the look of the railing (2x3 on the bottom?) except leave out the top hand rail. At my house, I did not have to add a diagonal. We have similar gates at the family river house to keep little kids from going down to the river, and we did need to add a diagonal there. You can always add one later, and I like the idea of the cable mentioned above. I used a cable and turnbuckle to fix some out of plumb fence posts and it worked well.

Another suggestion: I made our gates swing in, and added a second gate latch, so I can latch it open.



Also consider using a spring loaded hinge for one of the hinges if you want it to be self closing.
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Or just get one of these and make life simple:

Amazon Gate Amazon Gate
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Originally Posted by Little_Giant View Post

Another suggestion: I made our gates swing in, and added a second gate latch, so I can latch it open.



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I did this as well. Worked great. I also like Garrett idea of a slider.
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Anything hinged and made out of wood is going to sag. cables and diagonals help but it’s always sagging.

Slider is the way to go if wood is the material of choice, or get a light aluminum frame welded up clad and hinge.
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
I wouldn't hinge it at all. I would have your gate on a roller (leading lower corner) and have it slide back and forth from the right. That way the gate takes up basically zero space and you don't have to step back to open it, just slide it. Make a small channel on the left side for the gate to fit into when closed, this will secure the gate and keep it aligned when closed.
this. Roller gate
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metal gate........would look better also will add some punch to a regular wood deck
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I would be looking at something along the lines of this:

https://www.amazon.com/Carlson-Pet-Products-460-Walk-Thru/dp/B00X04J85Q/ref=asc_df_B00X04J85Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167152134657&hvpos=1o4&hvnetw=g&hvrand=91356625086468552&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002215&hvtargid=pla-310443865617&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/Carlson-Pet-Products-460-Walk-Thru/dp/B00X04J85Q/ref=asc_df_B00X04J85Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167152134657&hvpos=1o4&hvnetw=g&hvrand=91356625086468552&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002215&hvtargid=pla-310443865617&psc=1
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
I wouldn't hinge it at all. I would have your gate on a roller (leading lower corner) and have it slide back and forth from the right. That way the gate takes up basically zero space and you don't have to step back to open it, just slide it. Make a small channel on the left side for the gate to fit into when closed, this will secure the gate and keep it aligned when closed.
I did one similar.

Made a track of sorts with 2x 1x4 . Top and bottom rail. Sort of like a pocket door. Be creative. I didnt want the swing gate.
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Originally Posted by TheRealMacGyver View Post
Or just get one of these and make life simple:

Amazon Gate
I like this idea, I built a cedar gate for my deck and the little one hung on it and split the corner post. We use these inside, they are easily removed if you don't want them in your way for something.
Amazon Amazon
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any gate that sags, does not have the proper bracing/support built in to the gate! cable on a turn buckle would make a big difference!
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Originally Posted by BACKTOTHESEA View Post
I would be looking at something along the lines of this:

https://www.amazon.com/Carlson-Pet-P...43865617&psc=1
This isn’t secure enough to have at the top of steps with a toddler involved. If you go there prefab route get one that is made for top of stairs application. These appear to be pressure secured, which is fine for a dog or ground level applications, but not stairs
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Any wooden gate regardless of if it swings on hinges is pron to sagging whereas a sliding gate that is supported by the rollers/ track is not pron to sagging, A sagging gate is a structural issue and not a design issue. Hinged or slider is a design issue.

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