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Old 11-08-2019, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
I wouldn't hinge it at all. I would have your gate on a roller (leading lower corner) and have it slide back and forth from the right. That way the gate takes up basically zero space and you don't have to step back to open it, just slide it. Make a small channel on the left side for the gate to fit into when closed, this will secure the gate and keep it aligned when closed.
A "pocket" gate.

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Old 11-08-2019, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
Any wooden gate regardless of if it swings on hinges is pron to sagging whereas a sliding gate that is supported by the rollers/ track is not pron to sagging, A sagging gate is a structural issue and not a design issue. Hinged or slider is a design issue.
I think they might sell hardware kits for sliding gates.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Finsinchessy View Post
I did one similar.

Made a track of sorts with 2x 1x4 . Top and bottom rail. Sort of like a pocket door. Be creative. I didnt want the swing gate.
This is the direction I'd prefer to go, and instead of casters, maybe a strip of rounded-over starboard attached to the bottom and a vertical slot on the latch side for added stability when closed.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:39 AM
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Biggest concern is the latch used to secure the gate

4 kids, many dogs & several horses later I have been involved with indoor/outdoor gates as well as horse stall door latches

Amazing how clever they can all be to finagle open what appears to be a secured latch

I like Garret's rolling gate idea

I'll try to suggest some latches later

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Old 11-08-2019, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by loverofshells View Post
Biggest concern is the latch used to secure the gate

4 kids, many dogs & several horses later I have been involved with indoor/outdoor gates as well as horse stall door latches

Amazing how clever they can all be to finagle open what appears to be a secured latch

I like Garret's rolling gate idea

I'll try to suggest some latches later

Good luck
For now, the latch only needs to be dog-proof. Granddaughter isn't due until early March and it'll be awhile before they have to worry about her figuring out how latch systems work. I've got the style pictured in one of the earlier posts on our yard gates and they work great. They can be installed on the outside of a inward-swinging gate where little kids can't see or reach them. I can probably make it work with a slider too.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:37 AM
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If you used a roller you could latch it with rare earth magnets. I bought six to hold a swinging bookcase closed. After I closed it, it could not be reopened. I ended up using one (50lb pressure to release) and it takes a mans pull to open the bookcase. They make them in all sizes.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:52 AM
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Just for a quick PS on what it would look like with an off the shelf outdoor gate below

You would need to screw anchor the end vertical stiles to the posts to secure

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Old 11-08-2019, 12:24 PM
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How has nobody suggested using a caster wheel at the bottom yet?
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Old 11-08-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BIGnUGLY View Post
If you used a roller you could latch it with rare earth magnets. I bought six to hold a swinging bookcase closed. After I closed it, it could not be reopened. I ended up using one (50lb pressure to release) and it takes a mans pull to open the bookcase. They make them in all sizes.
That's a good idea. Lee Valley has all kinds of screw in type of different strengths.
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Old 11-08-2019, 02:14 PM
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I can't see a gate that small having an issue with sagging. It's not like a huge privacy fence gate.
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Originally Posted by Jersus View Post


this. Roller gate
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Update, my daughter prefers the gate to swing (inward from the left) so that's the way Dad will do it. 1st question: would you make it a few inches wider than the opening so that it closes against the right hand post in the original pic , or make it so it fits in the opening and closes flush? I'm leaning towards the 2nd way since I think it'll look cleaner but still on the fence about it. 2nd question: I'm making it out of PT 2x4's w/surface nailed pickets (like the rest of the deck) and was thinking of bracing it like in the pic below, using angle brackets (size to be determined) in each inside corner for stiffness, and maybe use a couple of dowels in each joint. The scrap lumber in the pic is only for illustration. It's only a 3'wide gate so I'm not too concerned about sagging if it's put together right. Fire away.

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I'd go flush. I did something similar on a gate about 30" wide. You could probably just use the 1x1 for the vertical saving the weight of the vertical 2x. With the 90 degree braces and spacing of the 1x1 to match the test of the railing I think it won't sag.
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by saltyreefer View Post
I can't see a gate that small having an issue with sagging. It's not like a huge privacy fence gate.
Same here, way too much over thinking.

Make the gate match the deck, put a catch for the upper rail when its closed and one when its open will prevent any sagging (if any). No need for casters, earth magnets or flux capacitors.
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Originally Posted by rusty spoke View Post
Same here, way too much over thinking.

Make the gate match the deck, put a catch for the upper rail when its closed and one when its open will prevent any sagging (if any). No need for casters, earth magnets or flux capacitors.
Use an angled brace inside the frame. Go from bottom hinge corner to diagonal top corner. It should never sag..
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I built 2 gates recently. They are heavy with 2x4 frames but have lattice screwed on so there are multiple slats carrying the weight and keeping it square (much like plywood does to a framed corner wall). They've been up for 3-4 weeks now with zero sag. It'll be light in a hr or so, I'll post pictures then. We can keep the pups restricted to the deck or leave the top gate open (bottom one closed) and they can have run of the deck and yard.
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My daughter just moved into a new to her house and asked me to build a gate for her deck to keep her dogs contained and to keep my future granddaughter from escaping. Opening is 36' wide and approx. 36" tall. My initial thought was to build it from PT 1x4's w/balusters to match the existing railings and hinge it on the left (in the pic) so it swings inward. I don't want to over build it and have it sag as it ages but it needs to be sturdy enough to contain a well-behaved 75 lb. Airedale. Open to any and all suggestions.

go with your original plan but hinge it on the right side. Not the left. The right post will support a gate better because of the 2 railings being perpendicular to each other. For gate sag you can get a brace rod that screws to the face of one side. Most home center have them.
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Originally Posted by rusty spoke View Post
Same here, way too much over thinking.

Make the gate match the deck, put a catch for the upper rail when its closed and one when its open will prevent any sagging (if any). No need for casters, earth magnets or flux capacitors.
I already ordered the flux capacitors from a place called Capt. Nate Supply. Hoping he'll take them back.
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Update, here it sits. Picked up some heavy duty self-closing hinges & a standard gate latch, attached w/clamps for show & tell. 1/8" inside corner brackets and two 1/4" dowels in each joint to prevent twisting. 4 screws per baluster to meet THT minimum overbuilt requirements. Will install the hardware on site this weekend. Thanks for all the input.
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Done! Fit well and the inmates seem to like it.


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