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So Im supposed to just use the provided connectors and push in romex to the ends with no box? I think not.. I installed SG boxes at each location and installed the driver inside each box with the high voltage, not the best way but the only one? Thoughts?


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YGS-TECH is the name of the company, and no not in my house a customer bought these POS things on amazon.
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So Im supposed to just use the provided connectors and push in romex to the ends with no box? I think not.. I installed SG boxes at each location and installed the driver inside each box with the high voltage, not the best way but the only one? Thoughts?

I think we cut the push connector off and wire nut it to the romex.
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Looks to me like it goes to a DC power supply before the AC power. Shows positive and negative, not hot and neutral.
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With LED's there's not enough currant passing through that connector to cause any problems with it.
Now the push in connections on the back of receptacles is a different story.
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Looks like some cheep mislabeled Chinese stuff. I would at least cut the connector off and wire but in a box.
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That's some cheap chinese junk. Probably would have to cut the connectors off and wire nut to romex in a box.
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That looks like a fuse on fireworks
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Originally Posted by Alureing View Post
YGS-TECH is the name of the company, and no not in my house a customer bought these POS things on amazon.
Answer is the same as always, what is code. Electrical work needs to be done to code. Is that type of connector code?
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Originally Posted by madhatter1 View Post
Looks to me like it goes to a DC power supply before the AC power. Shows positive and negative, not hot and neutral.
They're 110VAC lights, not DC.
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NEC generally mandates that all connections be in a box, and that the box not be buried or inaccessible.

I'd probably tell the customer to pick something else, you can't install those in a cost-effective code-compliant way, unless they want an exposed junction box near each light, or the box can be accessed in some other way. Maybe if these are meant to be under cabinet lights you could do a low-profile box.
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
Answer is the same as always, what is code. Electrical work needs to be done to code. Is that type of connector code?
Close. Is the product UL listed for the intended application ? Is that connector UL listed for direct connection to the branch circuit without a junction box ? My bet would be no, which then makes it a code violation.

Cutting the connector off would void the UL listing (if one exists).

Using non-UL listed material or using material in a manner that it is not UL listed for, is a code violation and creates a liability issue for the installer

Customer supplied ? Is the customer always right ? Not when they request an installation that is a code violation
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Originally Posted by dev View Post
They're 110VAC lights, not DC.
You sure about that? That white box sure looks like a transformer to me.

Go to the electric supply house and get some WAC lights, instead. You'll be much happier.
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Originally Posted by Just1more View Post
You sure about that?
Yes.

Instead of just randomly speculating, I looked them up on Amazon and read the specs.
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That could be listed as a Despard device in which case it is legal without a box. That is essentially saying the connector covering is a box.
My guess is it is not tho.
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Originally Posted by Elusive View Post
Close. Is the product UL listed for the intended application ? Is that connector UL listed for direct connection to the branch circuit without a junction box ? My bet would be no, which then makes it a code violation.

Cutting the connector off would void the UL listing (if one exists).

Using non-UL listed material or using material in a manner that it is not UL listed for, is a code violation and creates a liability issue for the installer

Customer supplied ? Is the customer always right ? Not when they request an installation that is a code violation
THIS!

The fact that it says Positive and Negative makes me think that this is not UL listed. Its hard to tell if the white box is the driver, or just the dimming module or RBG control. Most drivers have cooling fins. It may need an actual driver.
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Originally Posted by EMC Pursuit View Post
THIS!

The fact that it says Positive and Negative makes me think that this is not UL listed. Its hard to tell if the white box is the driver, or just the dimming module or RBG control. Most drivers have cooling fins. It may need an actual driver.
Not to mention the Chinese stuff that says "UL LIsted" when it's really not. According to its specs, no driver is needed, it is a direct 120V connection, white LED-only.
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Real simple. Throw that POS in the trash. Problem solved. Amazon electrical supplies are total garbage.
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on the Amazon page the pig tailed box is described as a "dimming module". And due to the heat sinks on the back of the fixture, the "driver", if you mean the power supply/ac to dc converter, is built into the unit.
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We purchased the Lithonia Lighting WF6 from Amazon for our house. Same concept light style but a lot more legit on the wiring.

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