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Old 08-20-2019, 02:35 PM
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Any of you guys with trail cams seen symptoms like this?

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could be a possible injury from trauma. maybe another animal attacked the cub? alligator or python down south?
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Damn, that sucks.

I hate seeing anything suffer.

Can't imagine they won't just starve to death.
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Your video says Player error - the player is having trouble.....?
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
could be a possible injury from trauma. maybe another animal attacked the cub? alligator or python down south?
Closed caption said bobcats and big cats. More than one.
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I'm thinking it ate some fermenting fruit, looks drunk. 2nd maybe some physical hip problem.
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They said they are seeing it in multiple animals, especially young. Thinking it is a genetic issue and wanting to get it out of the breeding population likely.
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The phony "Florida panther" is just an orphaned population of garden variety cougar/mountain lions that were trapped in South Florida by development and they are so genetically damaged from inbreeding that most of them have some kind of problem. They tried bringing in some Texas cougars a couple decades ago but being strangers in the territory of highly territorial animals, most were just killed. There may have been a little diversity injected into the gene pool but not enough to repair the problems. All it did was remove them from legal species protection legally (it is now a officially hybrid even it it was once a distinctive species) although FWC ignored that distinction.
There is case law, largely overlooked where a defendant presented DNA evidence that one he (James Billee Casino manager/indian chief) killed was not significantly different enough from a cougar to support the charges. The government folded up their briefcases dropped the ESA charge and he was left with a misdemeanor "animal out of season" state charge that was eventually dropped.
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My guess would be some form of virus like parvo.Hopefully not permanent.
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if genetic why would they be seeing it in the bobcats. i dont think bobcats population is low enough to cause the inbred issue? im going to lean towards some sort of disease!
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
The phony "Florida panther" is just an orphaned population of garden variety cougar/mountain lions that were trapped in South Florida by development and they are so genetically damaged from inbreeding that most of them have some kind of problem. They tried bringing in some Texas cougars a couple decades ago but being strangers in the territory of highly territorial animals, most were just killed. There may have been a little diversity injected into the gene pool but not enough to repair the problems. All it did was remove them from legal species protection legally (it is now a officially hybrid even it it was once a distinctive species) although FWC ignored that distinction.
There is case law, largely overlooked where a defendant presented DNA evidence that one he (James Billee Casino manager/indian chief) killed was not significantly different enough from a cougar to support the charges. The government folded up their briefcases dropped the ESA charge and he was left with a misdemeanor "animal out of season" state charge that was eventually dropped.
I moved here in 1986. At that time there were about 29 known cats left. Today the population is closer to 120-130.
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10 to 1 they will find that these big cats have been poisoned by farmers. The ones tested in the Tampa, Sarasota area were positive for rat poison.
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Not sure it could be related but one of my horses suffered very similar problems. Come to find out it was what was referred to as the opossum disease (EPM). There is some sort of parasite in there feces that when ingested affects there central nervous system, there fore they loose control of there back end. That's exactly how my horses acted. Just a shot in the dark.
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Originally Posted by cheeseman View Post
I moved here in 1986. At that time there were about 29 known cats left. Today the population is closer to 120-130.
Some of that is just under counting in past years but if the number is right, those are some very inbred sombitches. The question people are not asking is what is the sustainable population in a state where suitable habitat is shrinking every day. These are not the kind of animal you want walking around your school playgrounds looking for a meal.
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Originally Posted by Riverrat12 View Post
Not sure it could be related but one of my horses suffered very similar problems. Come to find out it was what was referred to as the opossum disease (EPM). There is some sort of parasite in there feces that when ingested affects there central nervous system, there fore they loose control of there back end. That's exactly how my horses acted. Just a shot in the dark.


Interesting. Never heard of that one.

Have you ever heard of Coonhound Paralysis?

I had an Akita that got it. Started out fine one day and as the day progressed he kept loosing his motor skills. By evening he was paralysed from the neck down. No walk, no nothing.

I had to carry that dog everywhere for 10 or so days. Held him up to use the bathroom, so he could eat etc. Used a giant dog lifejacket to carry him around the yard.

One morning he was up and walking. No furthur complications from it.

Vet said he had treated 10's of thousands of dogs during his career and my dog was only the 3rd verified case he had seen. Nothing to do but wait and hope it works itself out of the dog.

No idea where it comes from or how the dogs get it, but the think it has something to do with raccoon poop.


CA also has a problem with inbreeding amongst it's mountain like populations.
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Originally Posted by bayrunner16 View Post
Interesting. Never heard of that one.

Have you ever heard of Coonhound Paralysis?

I had an Akita that got it. Started out fine one day and as the day progressed he kept loosing his motor skills. By evening he was paralysed from the neck down. No walk, no nothing.

I had to carry that dog everywhere for 10 or so days. Held him up to use the bathroom, so he could eat etc. Used a giant dog lifejacket to carry him around the yard.

One morning he was up and walking. No furthur complications from it.

Vet said he had treated 10's of thousands of dogs during his career and my dog was only the 3rd verified case he had seen. Nothing to do but wait and hope it works itself out of the dog.

No idea where it comes from or how the dogs get it, but the think it has something to do with raccoon poop.


CA also has a problem with inbreeding amongst it's mountain like populations.
I have not, but sounds very similar to EPM. Not many horses survive do to the fact most owners will have them put down. Can't take the risk of a 1800# critter falling on you. We were lucky. I used to be kind to opossums and actually raised a couple. Now they get 22 hollow points.
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Had an outside cat house cat that did this. Best way to describe it was it walked like a cork screw. Started to just lay around and couldnt walk. What ever it was it killed it. Had another cat kinda similar but got over it so figured this one would but it was different.
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Originally Posted by bayrunner16 View Post
Interesting. Never heard of that one.

Have you ever heard of Coonhound Paralysis?

I had an Akita that got it. Started out fine one day and as the day progressed he kept loosing his motor skills. By evening he was paralysed from the neck down. No walk, no nothing.

I had to carry that dog everywhere for 10 or so days. Held him up to use the bathroom, so he could eat etc. Used a giant dog lifejacket to carry him around the yard.

One morning he was up and walking. No furthur complications from it.

Vet said he had treated 10's of thousands of dogs during his career and my dog was only the 3rd verified case he had seen. Nothing to do but wait and hope it works itself out of the dog.

No idea where it comes from or how the dogs get it, but the think it has something to do with raccoon poop.


CA also has a problem with inbreeding amongst it's mountain like populations.
Happened to our neighbors golden last year.

They called us over to say goodbye because he couldn't stand up (my son loves all dogs and asks to see Toby every day). So we did and they prepared to take him to the vet.

The next morning....perfectly fine and has been ever since.

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