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Old 08-18-2019, 10:34 PM
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I've always wondered this, and the Funny Pic Thread diatribe made me want to ask. Who is "in charge" when police and firefighters respond to the same scene? Are firefighters in charge of house fires and police in charge of accidents? There's an old Youtube of a cop arresting a firefighter for not moving his truck on a highway accident (firefighter released on site) so I've always wondered how this worked.
Old 08-18-2019, 11:33 PM
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Depends on the nature of the incident and what activity is going on at that moment. Vehicle collision with injuries belongs to fire/ems until patients are extricated. Once the evidence destruction team is done it becomes a police crime scene.
Old 08-19-2019, 12:54 AM
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I was always told that firemen are in charge, the reason given was that in more likelihood firemen will be responding to a greater threat to human life then the police (this is in NYC).

I've often wondered if this was in fact true and or if it is on a case by case bases.
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If they're both going to go by the law, I assume the police.

If not, a battle to the death is the only appropriate measure in which the firemen would win because they can just throw the police 100 yards down the road with a water cannon.
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Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
Depends on the nature of the incident and what activity is going on at that moment. Vehicle collision with injuries belongs to fire/ems until patients are extricated. Once the evidence destruction team is done it becomes a police crime scene.
this is how it works for us, on our department
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Depends on the situation. Around here normal fires and accidents fire/ems have command and leo’s assist with traffic control and when we’re done they take over for whatever reports they have to do. For assaults/shootings police usually make sure it’s safe for fire/ems and then turn it over until we clear. We all pretty much work together.
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The one with the gun is always in-charge.
Old 08-19-2019, 04:47 AM
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In Virginia the state code puts fire in charge, unless they release incident command to another entity. 99.9% of the time everyone works well together. On the rare occasion that there's contention, it usually involves taking too long getting a highway reopened (in some peoples opinion).
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When I worked for CPD, it was the CFD that had control of the scene if there was any risk to a human soul. Active rescue, active fire, or any other active safety issue. Beyond that, I can't recall there ever being a problem between any of the groups that responded to a situation.
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If there are injuries and the scene is safe, every Police Officer should make themselves available for anything the FD needs. The crash can be worked later. If they need me for something that will save a life, I'm all theirs. We have a great relationship with out FD guys.
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I play both sides of the fence. I'm a cop and a firefighter and this is what I've learned over the years... always let the other guy be in charge.
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Depends on the departments and the nature of the call. Around here fd is in command of all fire scenes. Car accidents are a little different. FD is in command of all mvc's that have any type of severe trauma or entrapment. Minor mvc's, fd has command until we are done with patient care then we turn the scene over to pd and go back in service for the next emergency.
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Originally Posted by Reel 007 View Post
The one with the gun is always in-charge.
Exactly what I was going to say Beat me to it.
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The ones with the bigger egos. The cops. We used to have a memorial soft ball tournament with police and fire to honor a fallen officer. Then fire was no longer included
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Originally Posted by cbritt View Post
The ones with the bigger egos. The cops. We used to have a memorial soft ball tournament with police and fire to honor a fallen officer. Then fire was no longer included
Why?
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FD is typically in charge, but they usually work pretty well together.

If there is any chance of a weapon being involved, the PD are in charge until there is no longer a threat, then FD is in charge again.....usually.

I have ordered PD off of a scene before and it was carried out by other PD. Very strange incident, but it happened.
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Incident command is almost always Fire... with police having authority to arrest and remove any ordered by fire.
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i dont think it is really a whos in charge, its more of an order of priority. typically they work together and get the job done
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Don't know why it is but we always had great times at golf tournaments with each other but softball always got nasty.

The relationship in many ways is one of brotherhood. We can pull practical jokes on each other and even get in fights with each other. Things will even get bad at times. But if an "outsider" gets involved they will catch hell from both sides. And even when things are bad we will risk our lives for each other without a second thought.
At least that has been my experience.

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