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Old 08-02-2019, 06:45 PM
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So this could be a rant or just a stupid question. When you are at a retail store when do the items you purchased become yours. For example if you are at XYZ and sons, and you take your items up to the register and check out with either a credit card or cash, when is ownership transferred.
Here is where it either becomes stupid or rant, based on your prospective. I live in a fairly small town so you big city folks may be used to this. One of our local merchants has recently implemented a policy of not only checking your receipt as you approach the exit, but then matching some individual items to the receipt by digging through your bags.
My first thought was what the heck, I own everything in those bags and I don't feel inclined to let someone else play with them. Yes, I know, it could be considered a first world problem, never the less, the questions stands, when does ownership transfer. I would love to be able to charge a fee for looking through my belongings. Have never really had a problem showing that I have a receipt with current date and time indicating I made a purchase. This just seems to me to be a couple steps more intrusive.
So what says THT.
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Very common these days . Too many thieves ! makes it bad for the rest of us

If you use "dirty money" to make a purchase is it yours ?
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Read article that At Sams Club those checkers are there to make sure you don’t get double charged. Maybe that’s what they were doing?
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Originally Posted by skedaddle View Post
So this could be a rant or just a stupid question. When you are at a retail store when do the items you purchased become yours. For example if you are at XYZ and sons, and you take your items up to the register and check out with either a credit card or cash, when is ownership transferred.
Here is where it either becomes stupid or rant, based on your prospective. I live in a fairly small town so you big city folks may be used to this. One of our local merchants has recently implemented a policy of not only checking your receipt as you approach the exit, but then matching some individual items to the receipt by digging through your bags.
My first thought was what the heck, I own everything in those bags and I don't feel inclined to let someone else play with them. Yes, I know, it could be considered a first world problem, never the less, the questions stands, when does ownership transfer. I would love to be able to charge a fee for looking through my belongings. Have never really had a problem showing that I have a receipt with current date and time indicating I made a purchase. This just seems to me to be a couple steps more intrusive.
So what says THT.
I'd just tell them I didn't take the receipt, unless it's a membership store.

If they want to take the time to add up my items and balance the register, have at it.
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You are the owner, with proof of ownership. That said, they are still responsible for merchandise that is on their property, and to verify purchase. They aren't doing this at your car outside the building. They are making sure items are not stolen.

Falls to a simple category, don't like their rules, don't shop there.
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Never could understand how Sams people accomplish anything by doing a 5-second compare thing with $500 worth of crap in two carts. I think if one of them (or the OP's store nazi) wanted to spend more than a little time looking at stuff, I'd do a 180 and march it to CS for a refund. Let customer service count the stuff.
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Home Depot has had those people(usually third party security) checking receipts for 15+ years around here at any high risk store.

I worked nights and weekends at HD in the late 90’s Over three years Our 6 month inventory shrink was always between $650k to $1.2M. That’s just one store. Some of it was bad accounting or items damaged but not marked down before tossed out but most was theft. Largest area of theft was from cashiers either ringing things up wrong by accident or charging a friend for a shovel while they walked out with a generator.

Another big theft scam at larger stores is loading up two identical carts. One person pays for the first cart at one entrance, walks out and gives the receipt to a buddy who walks in grabs the second cart and walks out another door.
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
You are the owner, with proof of ownership. That said, they are still responsible for merchandise that is on their property, and to verify purchase. They aren't doing this at your car outside the building. They are making sure items are not stolen.

Falls to a simple category, don't like their rules, don't shop there.
Do not really understand how they are responsible for the merchandise after it has been purchased. Responsible in what way, if it jumps out of the cart and hurts itself when it hits the floor, is that their responsibility? I always thought that I took total responsibility once I owned it.

Definitely not shopping there is an option, although, I think a more fun option would be handing them a written document that says there is a cash fee, say $5, payable in advance to touch my possessions. I would guess the response, if in fact possession changes at the register, would be well worth the price of admission.
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Originally Posted by bjm9818 View Post
Home Depot has had those people(usually third party security) checking receipts for 15+ years around here at any high risk store.

I worked nights and weekends at HD in the late 90’s Over three years Our 6 month inventory shrink was always between $650k to $1.2M. That’s just one store. Some of it was bad accounting or items damaged but not marked down before tossed out but most was theft. Largest area of theft was from cashiers either ringing things up wrong by accident or charging a friend for a shovel while they walked out with a generator.

Another big theft scam at larger stores is loading up two identical carts. One person pays for the first cart at one entrance, walks out and gives the receipt to a buddy who walks in grabs the second cart and walks out another door.
I would love to know the real data on the results of receipt checking at the door. Does the amount of shrinkage caught enable a person(s) to be employed full time? Do not get me wrong anything that catches a thief is good, I just wonder how well this particular method works.
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Costco, and it's predecessor Price Club, have been doing to for about 40 years. They are an extremely well managed company, so obviously it works. What they primarily do is an item count, not matching sku #'s, unless it is something expensive.

As for the OP, they are merely making sure that indeed it is your property.
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thieves are the ones that do not like them checking to make sure you paid for everything in the bag or cart.

how many of you are against it?
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I don’t get what the big deal is, unless you’re the only customer being singled out for bag inspection repeatedly. I’ve occasionally had my bags and receipt checked and never really gave it a second thought. Their premise- their policy, don’t like it shop elsewhere.
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They aren't checking on what you "own", they are making sure you aren't taking what the store still "owns". Seems pretty straight forward to me. I'm sure you could refuse them checking your bags... just be sure to film it so we can see that interaction.
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The second money changes hands, ownership of the property changes hands. It pisses me off too when they want to search my things at the door before I leave the store.

You can tell them they can't look through your stuff and they can't. But, they could tell you you can't shop here any more.

I have occasionally said "no" and just kept walking when they asked "can I see your receipt sir?" I've also just handed them the receipt and kept going.
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You are on private property. They have a right to inspect your bags.
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I thought that all of us have gotten on the modern bandwagon and do 100% of our purchasing online.

What the heck are all of you doing in these stores.
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Do not really understand how they are responsible for the merchandise after it has been purchased. Responsible in what way, if it jumps out of the cart and hurts itself when it hits the floor, is that their responsibility? I always thought that I took total responsibility once I owned it.

Definitely not shopping there is an option, although, I think a more fun option would be handing them a written document that says there is a cash fee, say $5, payable in advance to touch my possessions. I would guess the response, if in fact possession changes at the register, would be well worth the price of admission.
We both go into a store. In my pocket I have one of their branded shopping bags I got from a trashcan out front. I pick up an item, put it in the bag and walk through a closed checkout line to the exit. You pay for yours, it goes into the same bag and you use the same exit....

Are people really bitching about a store taking ten seconds to make sure they aren't being stolen from?
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I've been stealing from Costco for years and never been caught by the checkers. Oh, I always pay for everything in the cart, but take the cart home too.
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I Don't know about anyone else, but I hate the idea of having to even slow up sometimes at the door. In NJ they cannot detain you, you must show a receipt but all they can do is look it over quick and put a mark on it that it was in fact checked.

I fully get that people take things that aren't paid for, but then you should have someone at the registers doing the scanning. Check my receipt and let's go. If you try and hold me up I'm moving on, you want to try stopping me it's going to be ugly. It just bugs me that I've got to be inconvenienced so you can cut costs. (I'm very glad it's never happened with me, I'd hate being that dick that rips the guard for doing what they are told.) And yes, I'd speak nicely to start with, but it will escalate quickly, I've got no patience.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with what’s in your bag or what the receipt says... it’s simply about deterrence.

with someone by the door “checking stuff” small time unorganised crooks are more likely to go elsewhere.

yes the wages of the person doing the “checking” are more than covered by lower pilfering losses. Same goes for the employees wandering about with a shit stenciled with the word “security” they can’t actually do much to stop a proper thief but they do deter a lot of small time stuff....

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