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Old 07-06-2019, 07:22 PM
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Looks like we are about ready to wipe out another species....

https://www.ocala.com/news/20190705/...ipping-point/1
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Old 07-06-2019, 07:26 PM
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What's a Right Whale ever done for me??
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Are those the same ones that were beaching themselves in the Everglades and dieing?
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Old 07-06-2019, 07:30 PM
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if its the end of the right whale, are there any left?
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Old 07-06-2019, 07:36 PM
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Oh no, not the right whales. I am still missing the passenger pigeons.
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Old 07-06-2019, 07:42 PM
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It’s not so much which creature is wiped out. It’s the big picture of the world going down a black hole. Case in point: the thread on Florida’s Fishing decline. Or the coral dying. Or the invasive species. Or the weekend shit shows in the upper keys. Or... You get the idea. And it’s everywhere. Bet you can cite examples in your area. ?
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What happened in the KEYS?
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Between 200 and 2,000 species go extinct every year. It's the way of life, the way of the Force! Look on the bright side, if the planet gets as warm as it was when the dinosaurs were here (no people around burning "fossil fuels" at the time), a substantial portion of the land will be under water, the human population will be significantly reduced and the marine life will thrive! Then you can worry about how long it will be before we're extinct.
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Pretty sad for such a majestic and ancient beast. Seems like entanglement from fishing material seems to be really hurting them
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I got the impression that most of them got killed from ship strikes, I guess they're not intelligent enough to get out of the way. Maybe PETA can put a couple in big aquariums so people can look at them.
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Originally Posted by fireisland1 View Post
What happened in the KEYS?
Staghorn and Elkhorn coral just about wiped out. The only conch out there is habitat raised, the native supply was wiped out and I helped. I've seen the coral devastation from when I started diving in the early 70's and now


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I donít necessarily think we have a moral obligation to protect earth species - no life form on earth ever has, but we have a practical one....

As an engineer of complex systems the best way to avoid problems is: donít screw with the complex system.
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Originally Posted by asdf78 View Post
I donít necessarily think we have a moral obligation to protect earth species - no life form on earth ever has, but we have a practical one....

As an engineer of complex systems the best way to avoid problems is: donít screw with the complex system.
We have already screwed with nature. I do think that we do have an obligation to right our wrongs. Just cause we can doesn't mean we should.
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Originally Posted by asdf78 View Post
I donít necessarily think we have a moral obligation to protect earth species - no life form on earth ever has, but we have a practical one....

As an engineer of complex systems the best way to avoid problems is: donít screw with the complex system.
we are the only species that hunts and kills for fun or for the hell of it. To think otherwise is idiotic.
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Hmmm. I distinctly remember back in the seventies, the estimates were there were only about 200 North American right whales remaining. This article has it at 400! Seems to have been a population explosion over the last 50 years or so! All these deaths up thar in the far north...... It sounds like if we could just keep those Canucks off the water, the righties will do just fine!

WOW! Who knew?

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Many scientists believe we are already in the 6th mass extinction. There have been 5 previous. Maybe it will be a good thing for the planet, but regardless it is inevitable. https://cosmosmagazine.com/palaeonto...ve-extinctions
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One has to consider sources. The whale huggers are not objective but we should take steps not to kill whales . I'm okay with doing something on ships to warn the whales in time for ships to pass. A sonar ping should do it. I'm okay with speed limits. I suspect no ship doing 10 mph is hitting and killing whales. If that's proven to be the case then lower to 8 or 5. Make ships go around them. Pretty sure they don't want to hit them. I believe it's those going faster than 10 or traveling in areas where whales are known to be present accounting for those deaths. As few whales as we have they could be tagged and AIS positions tracked.

Gill nets don't belong on this earth in sizes or places that threaten whales. The indescriminant killing is wrong. Most places have outlawed them. Put trackers on the nets so when one kills a whale the net owner is fined.
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Originally Posted by Jumpsummo View Post
I suspect no ship doing 10 mph is hitting and killing whales. If that's proven to be the case then lower to 8 or 5. Make ships go around them. Pretty sure they don't want to hit them. I believe it's those going faster than 10 or traveling in areas where whales are known to be present accounting for those deaths. As few whales as we have they could be tagged and AIS positions tracked.
On the 10 mph point, I think you would be wrong . There have been Wright Whale 10 mph speed limits for all vessels over 65' in place all along the US East coast for many years and ship strikes still happen. See page 3 of the linked Local Notice to Mariners https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/lnms/lnm01272019.pdf
On point two, the Wright Whale's range is from Canada to Florida, so unless, for all practical purposes, we end importing an exporting all goods, I don't see that as a viable plan.
You would think technology could solve the problem, but so far that has not been the case.
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Originally Posted by Lund1660 View Post

we are the only species that hunts and kills for fun or for the hell of it. To think otherwise is idiotic.
actually, Minks do too. Iíve watched it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing
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Originally Posted by Lund1660 View Post

we are the only species that hunts and kills for fun or for the hell of it. To think otherwise is idiotic.
Except for the Bottlenose Dolphin, the House Cat, the Fox, the Leopard, the Hyena, the Gorilla, and several others.
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