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Old 06-24-2019, 11:44 AM
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Just ran through one of the houses in interior trim stage. Started looking around and noticed the "carpenter's" did not possess a door level and were not installing shims at all. Damn door looks like it was hit by birdshot. I stopped counting at 87 nails. WTF is going on with trades these days? It took along time for me call myself a carpenter. Now it seems like any jacklegg with a nail gun is a skilled tradesman. Well these guys wont be back. Anyone else out there seeing this in million dollar custom homes? Not my house but I do all the punch out and fix pretty much all the mistakes...
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:48 AM
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Dude I'm in a pretty high end home and I can't find someone qualified to do my damn landscaping. It now looks like shit as its grow season and i'm going to have to do it myself

Guess it'll be a good work out. People either have sucked or flake and ive given up. My f'n yard guy in my south home just throws branches on the side of my house?? I have asked him several times to stop. He actually shows up to mow though. Just lazy about anything that he can't run over with his riding mower
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Dude I'm in a pretty high end home and I can't find someone qualified to do my damn landscaping. It now looks like shit as its grow season and i'm going to have to do it myself

Guess it'll be a good work out. People either have sucked or flake and ive given up. My f'n yard guy in my south home just throws branches on the side of my house?? I have asked him several times to stop. He actually shows up to mow though. Just lazy about anything that he can't run over with his riding mower
I'm on my fourth landscaper in Florida and finally happy and it only took 2 try's in Georgia to get a good one. It's like that with every trade; it's hard to find people who do quality work. And I'm not one of those guys looking to find the cheapest person who will do the job.
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Don't try to get any dock work done, took me 6 months to get someone over here and they left with out helping my neighbor he still can't get anyone to come out
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As a builder and former high end finish carpenter I find that I have to put the belt on more often and teach the guys how I want it done. Best thing to teach is to take pride in their work if I donít see that itís down the right road.
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I just had a house built last year. I doubt any one of the carpenters who did our rough-in owned a level, let alone a framing square or plumb line. I'm not a tradesman, but it took a lot of self control to not jump in and just fix a few issues myself. Luckily we had a good contractor who stayed on top of everything.
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I love building in general. In 2008 had to hang up the tool belt for a torch and did commercial plumbing. Now that NC is back to rolling on high end homes i got back to doing what i love carpentry. Trim is my jamb lol. I just dont know how long i can stand coming to a 98% finished home to tear out a ton of shotty work. Many things can be built with a string and level. Wish i had more coin in the bank i start my own stuff back up. It all seems to go to the lowest bidder. A custom home is supposed to take longer. The last framing job i went to didnt have sub-facia, the roofer didnt install drip edge, and a 4ft wide stair had three stringers. Good job boys...
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Everyone was told to go to college instead.
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Im right there with you. Need to build out a custom cabinet for a wall oven. Not worth the energy getting a trim guy over there. Will take him four days of bullshit. All the materials are in my truck now. I don't have the time to do it but I'll squeeze it in somewhere this week. It will take me half a day, max.
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Oh and the poold had to be ripped out and redone... 8 feet into a right of way.
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I was in the trades for 9 years and became very good at what I did. I came to a point where I was sick of working for douche bag contractors/ owners and realized I had to work for myself or find a new career. I choose a new career. I believe very few people appreciate craftsmanship and reliable workers.

I can honestly say I treated some of my employers like there company was my own and rarely saw a reward. I was treated like any other co-worker that didn't give a rats ass. Was given bare minimum so they didn't think I would leave. Same employers would complain about there hired help. Go figure.

I'm off my soap box now, enough negativity for one day. Lol
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Can't stand that crap and having trimmed many high-end houses in my day, I notice that sh!t as soon as I walk in someone's front door. A house I'm buying right now is the same way. None of the interior doors were properly shimmed so now the jambs have sagged on a lot of them causing the frames to rack so the strike plates don't line up. Pathetic.
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Very True, all the above.

I worked with a remodeler for a few years to learn building trades. Many, many surprises found in high end houses when we went down to the studs to start over. I think there was a shortage of nails in my area when the homes were built, we found few in the framing. I yanked many a stud out with my bare hands, no framing hammer or flat bar required!!! Nail guns were around when they were constructed, so no excuse.

A saying among the low bid contractors in my area: "Can 't see it from my house" when referring to shoddy work. Wall board hides a lot.
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Can't see it from my house goes along with the taillight guarantee... i truly believe in the good/ cheap/fast triangle. You can have two but not three. Now i was told two panoramic doors will not operate correctly. Guess ill be fixing those tomorrow. Can i please just run 3,4,5, shit 16 piece crown??
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Originally Posted by Mighty White View Post
Just ran through one of the houses in interior trim stage. Started looking around and noticed the "carpenter's" did not possess a door level and were not installing shims at all. Damn door looks like it was hit by birdshot. I stopped counting at 87 nails. WTF is going on with trades these days? It took along time for me call myself a carpenter. Now it seems like any jacklegg with a nail gun is a skilled tradesman. Well these guys wont be back. Anyone else out there seeing this in million dollar custom homes? Not my house but I do all the punch out and fix pretty much all the mistakes...
You get what you pay for ... in Fla the leftyís have flooded the trades with border jumpers... good work ainít cheap and cheap work ainít good
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You get what you pay for ... in Fla the leftyís have flooded the trades with border jumpers... good work ainít cheap and cheap work ainít good
Didn't want to bring that up but thats what we are dealing with. When i ask about shims or nails all i hear is "no say??" Ive worked with a bunch of really great guys of many colors. But i guess i have a bad apple taste in my mouth right now. Anyone of y'all know the easiest way to adjust a 5 panel panoramic door. The house is finish paint now.
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You get what you pay for ... in Fla the leftyís have flooded the trades with border jumpers... good work ainít cheap and cheap work ainít good
fast , cheap and quality. Pick two cause ya canít get all three and fast and quality is double.
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Originally Posted by DotRotten View Post

fast , cheap and quality. Pick two cause ya canít get all three and fast and quality is double.
Yep knew i would mess it up. I guess i know what it means so i cut corners on my grammer... quality and good are not the same thing. Whoops
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Yep knew i would mess it up. I guess i know what it means so i cut corners on my grammer... quality and good are not the same thing. Whoops
we're tradesmen not scholars. Who wants a business man building thier house?
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we're tradesmen not scholars. Who wants a business man building thier house?
Well said. Now about that panoramic door... guy from tech support said it was probably from header sag. Tripple 16in lvl no flinch plate. If flinch is not what its called around you its a 1/2" thick steel plate through bolted like the white stuff in an oreo. Its a three story house and the door is on the first floor. I just didn't see a tripple lvl spanning less than 16 feet sag. Ive been wrong before. Guess ill check if there are crush block under the j/k combos *doubtful. Jack and blocks?
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