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Old 06-24-2019, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mighty White View Post
Well said. Now about that panoramic door... guy from tech support said it was probably from header sag. Tripple 16in lvl no flinch plate. If flinch is not what its called around you its a 1/2" thick steel plate through bolted like the white stuff in an oreo. Its a three story house and the door is on the first floor. I just didn't see a tripple lvl spanning less than 16 feet sag. Ive been wrong before. Guess ill check if there are crush block under the j/k combos *doubtful. Jack and blocks?
a panoramic door should have three adjustments in the hinges and steel as the header. If not you're and homeowner are fawked.
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Old 06-24-2019, 04:46 PM
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I once worked on a job where I found a hundred staples in one location.

It took me a while to realize, one of the previous workers would lay on the floor and shoot a staple every now and then. No idea how many hours he charged the customer for “working”.

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Old 06-24-2019, 04:52 PM
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Many "pre=hung" doors with split jambs are nailed thru the casing, without shims. I don't like it, but it is common.
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Old 06-24-2019, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
Many "pre=hung" doors with split jambs are nailed thru the casing, without shims. I don't like it, but it is common.
Yes, it is very common, but when the rough opening is larger than necessary, the jambs just aren't strong enough to adequately hold the weight of the door. Is it too much to ask that they be shimmed?
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Old 06-24-2019, 05:06 PM
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Old 06-24-2019, 05:27 PM
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I didn't know what I was going to find here, mighty white talking about hanging doors, just as suspected....trim carpentry
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Old 06-24-2019, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by willie g View Post
I didn't know what I was going to find here, mighty white talking about hanging doors, just as suspected....trim carpentry
I'll leave 5he reburial for someone else's. I hope to be insulted for my profession directly.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Knot on Call View Post
Yes, it is very common, but when the rough opening is larger than necessary, the jambs just aren't strong enough to adequately hold the weight of the door. Is it too much to ask that they be shimmed?
solid core, yes. most painted doors here are masonite. shims aren't really needed for those

edit neither are 87 nails. every trade should have to do the one before him and after him for awhile and they would all be better at their job
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by willie g View Post
I didn't know what I was going to find here, mighty white talking about hanging doors, just as suspected....trim carpentry
The stage is yours. Shoot.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mighty White View Post
The stage is yours. Shoot.
whats the target
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DotRotten View Post
a panoramic door should have three adjustments in the hinges and steel as the header. If not you're and homeowner are fawked.
Figured it needed steel. Im gonna grab the plans tomorrow and look through the notes. Homeowners move in on saturday.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:19 PM
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heres one, a vendor I use has delivered doors with the casing tacked to the outside of the jamb for shipping with up to thirty nails

nothing like installing trim that looks like its been through a war before you even put one nail in it
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by willie g View Post
heres one, a vendor I use has delivered doors with the casing tacked to the outside of the jamb for shipping with up to thirty nails

nothing like installing trim that looks like its been through a war before you even put one nail in it
Kinda my point. Its a door not a silhouette target.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:27 PM
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Been banging nails for over 35 years and still do all my own work. I have had workers over the years but most wanted to be their own boss like me and left me for greener pastures. I did the same thing but stayed true to myself and my customers and am never really out of work. I charge between $75- $90 per hour for labor, plus materials, plus 15-20% markup right out of the gate. No BS, I show up ready to work, and go at it like its my house. Pretty basic idea, not invented by me, but it works for my situation for many years. Not bragging at all, just basic numbers to pay myself a good salary, cover insurances, licenses, etc, and do my thing. I think many people watch too much TV shows where a house is rebuilt in 2-3 weeks and they want that at an price that's not realistic. I even put in my contract that I get paid for lumber yard, Home Depot, Lowes, etc runs because time is money and I'm not driving around town for free. Once I explain it to most people, I think they see my reasoning and sign on. If they don't, I apologize for my way of doing business and move on to the next phone call. Time is money to everyone I talk to, so if I'm not making money at what I do for a living, I'd rather go fishing and drink a cold beer. That reminds me, im going to have a night cap and call it a day. I have to work tomorrow.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mighty White View Post
Kinda my point. Its a door not a silhouette target.
yeah I got it....and then agreed
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:58 PM
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Old 06-24-2019, 07:31 PM
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As I read this thread lying in bed, I stared across the room at the door into the room. It is neither square in the opening, nor is the entire thing plumb. As such, it has a “self closing” feature. All in a high end custom home. I could fix it myself, but I fear if I fix one example of crappy workmanship I wouldn’t stop. And there is a lot of it in this house.

Im a desk jockey in the boat biz, but in my young days I was taught fine woodworking skills by a true craftsman building of all things wood race boats. Along the way I’ve used the skills a bit building furniture. I’m no pro, but I’m better than many so called pro’s who wanted my business. I guess pride and craftsmanship are now considered old school.

I used to know an older gentleman who did nothing but custom build the big sweeping turning staircases in super high end houses. He made a great living and had a waiting list - his finished product could almost be considered a work of art.

Do it right, or do it over.

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Old 06-24-2019, 07:38 PM
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Man, so sad! I did not go into the trades but remember construction work in the summer during my High School years! Some of the most awesome skilled guy's ever. This was 30 yrs ago.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:08 PM
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I gave up a few years ago trying to sub out hanging interior doors/trim and tile work. It was just faster to do it all myself with one of my guys. It’s also much better on the bottom line. I also switched to a Grex 23g pin nailer anywhere I can get away with it . 18g on everything else. Nothing to fill in with a 23g pin.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:23 PM
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Did I read about nails in a door? why do you need nails to hang a door.
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