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Old 06-19-2019, 07:18 PM
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seems like this thread needs some tractor pics
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DVR View Post
seems like this thread needs some tractor pics
yesterday. My brother and my little boy replanting some drought zapped corn. That one is a 99 M6800 with about 4500 hours hooked to a old Allis Chalmers planter from the 70’s. Set up for 3 row currently. We have a few more planter heads and just need to hang them on a wider toolbar.
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I know nothing about tractors and always though american farmers used JD (plus I like the yellow and green colors). Based off this thread, I guess I was way off. I was amazed at how Kubota seems to hands down kick JD's ass-- it was unanimous, at least for small tractors.
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Originally Posted by GR1FFIN View Post
I know nothing about tractors and always though american farmers used JD (plus I like the yellow and green colors). Based off this thread, I guess I was way off. I was amazed at how Kubota seems to hands down kick JD's ass-- it was unanimous, at least for small tractors.
both make good gear. Largely depends on the markets. Deere is strong on big stuff and has a huge portion of market share for harvesting. They split out their construction equipment, and have a variety of dealer strategies.

Kubota uses the same dealers for ag, construction equipment (limited offerings, but quality machines in that segment), and landscape equipment. Lots of crossover in that segment, so it works well. Local to us lots of long time Deere and Ford/New Holland customers are switching strictly based on the dealer, for the smaller tractors. Everything 100HP and up is still for the most part green here. For good dealer support keeping them up involves a road trip.
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Well... fact is that we mostly talking about Compact and Subcompact. JD never really made that market nor did Ford or anyone of the other US companies. Company' like Kubota and Kioti initiated that smaller market here in the US way back in like the 80's. And JD didn't get on that band wagon until much later. JD made the big stuff and still does. The stuff the Farmers use. Us smaller landowners, landscapers and such use this little stuff more. Different market. .
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:05 PM
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I don't have very much experience with tractors, but I now need one. I've been looking, researching, and asking everyone I know about various tractors, and I was about to go with a Kubota L4760 HST 4wd w/loader, until a neighbor pointed me toward Kioti.
Nobody I've talked to, nor any online research has had anything negative to say about the Kioti tractors. I've decided to buy a NX5010 HST 4wd w/loader that is a very close comparison to the Kubota L4760 in features and specs. for about $5k less.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:01 PM
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What I don't understand is why no one has said anything about the subcompact Mahindra tractors. They've got a Mitsubishi engine, but we have seen a bunch of them sold in the near past. They're a really neat little package for a tractor in that class.
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I don't have experience with both but did buy a used 2005 JD 2210 last yr with loader, 62" belly mower, rake, aerator, single blade disk. It has the 3 cylinder Yanmar and has been an awesome little machine for me for about 50 hrs so far. I was shopping for a mower but man I'm glad I ran across this with the loader. I use it all the time. It's amazing how much work 23 hp can do with gearing and hydraulics. It could do more but is limited by it's weight (1600#). I was shopping used and would have bought Kubota but found this JD and I'm very happy with it.
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Good info here. I've had JD, Kubota, Kioti and two New Hollands. My favorite out of all of them is the New Holland TC series. 35-45 HP and rock solid. The Kioti is a very close second. Its the most comfortable machine out of any of them and at 45 HP, it’ll do all the work I’ll ever need. I would not overlook the Kioti. They’ve been around for a long time and make a great machine. The Kubota was a smaller B series and was trouble free. The only thing I didnt really like about it was the ergonomics. It felt awkward to me.

I still have the Kioti and the New Holland TC. My Kioti is a 2018 DK4510 and my NH is a 2005 TC35DA. Both great machines.

Ive looked at the JD E series a few times and they are nice. I just didn't like the aluminum transaxle. If I buy another JD, it will likely be a 4044M.
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Old 06-20-2019, 03:54 AM
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The Kioti, and, to a lesser extent, the Mahindra, interest me, but there's no dealer for hundreds of miles. That wouldn't necessarily deter me, as I service my equipment myself, but it does make it hard to find those tractors for sale (new or used), and would make access to parts more difficult. What's odd about that is that the Kioti distributor is about a 100 miles away from me, so you'd think they'd have a dealer somewhere nearby.

I've always liked john deere, and have owned two or three JD mowers, and one tractor. So I'm definitely a "fan." However, when it comes to spending $20K, my brand loyalty isn't as strong.

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alot of it depends on what your doing with it! small farm type stuff either machine will be fine.

we have both, in the 100hp range, what i have found is the kubota will not hang with the JD. im comparing front end loader lifting capabilities and power to plow up a feild! mowing and all the less demanding stuff the kubota does fine. the JD just clocks in and goes to work! the kubota is the young kid that likes to take cigarette breaks.
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Mahindra got ruled out in my search because the closer dealers were not long term and one has even since gone out of business. Its mostly a dealer network problem in the area for me. My Kioti dealer and my Kubota dealer were all old school shops that had been around for over 50-60 years. The JD dealers were newer but established company so that part did not rule them out. It came down to deal after dealer. And Kioti gave me the best one plus he gave me a very generous trade in offer on my older Ford. Other than that it was a toss up between Kubota and Kioti.
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Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
Mahindra got ruled out in my search because the closer dealers were not long term and one has even since gone out of business. Its mostly a dealer network problem in the area for me. My Kioti dealer and my Kubota dealer were all old school shops that had been around for over 50-60 years. The JD dealers were newer but established company so that part did not rule them out. It came down to deal after dealer. And Kioti gave me the best one plus he gave me a very generous trade in offer on my older Ford. Other than that it was a toss up between Kubota and Kioti.
I can't figure out Mahindra's dealer strategy at all. Dealers never seem last, typically don't have anything resembling a service department, or much of anything in terms of parts inventory. They have pretty decent machines. Guy that cuts our grass at work (basically a field) has a 1-2 year old Mahindra 4565. I made a couple of passes with it. Nice solid machine, and reminded me of an old Ford. He doesn't use it for anything remotely urgent, so I'm sure it was a price decision
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I bought a Kubota L3301hst a little over a year ago. I’ve had a couple small issues mostly related to the built in safety crap. That is all worked out now and it’s been fantastic. I went with the L series Kubota over the John Deere 3000E series simply because the John Deere had a 2 range trans where Kubota has a 3 range. Also the E series Deere has an aluminum rear end.

I would have considered a compact Mahindra if the local dealer wanted my business. The other tractor I liked was the Massey Ferguson. They’re also Japanese built and seemed pretty nice but were in the same ballpark price wise.

For me the dealer was the the most important aspect. If I have a problem, being able to call the owner on his cell phone on a Sunday and have him walk through what’s happening has gotten me out of a pinch more than once.
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Originally Posted by Jus Teasin View Post
I don't have very much experience with tractors, but I now need one. I've been looking, researching, and asking everyone I know about various tractors, and I was about to go with a Kubota L4760 HST 4wd w/loader, until a neighbor pointed me toward Kioti.
Nobody I've talked to, nor any online research has had anything negative to say about the Kioti tractors. I've decided to buy a NX5010 HST 4wd w/loader that is a very close comparison to the Kubota L4760 in features and specs. for about $5k less.
I just bought a small tractor also. I bought used..Japanese built Ford..to learn with. The Jap stuff is well designed, well built, and there's tons of parts available.
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...he John Deere had a 2 range trans where Kubota has a 3 range. Also the E series Deere has an aluminum rear end.
Very important points for sure. I do much of my work in that mid range. Wouldn't like it not being there. And that Aluminum in that place scared me.

Another tractor in this category to look at is LS. Korean again but very good stuff from my research. No dealers I could feel comfortable about in my area so I crossed them off the list but you may be able to find something that you feel confident in.

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Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
Well... fact is that we mostly talking about Compact and Subcompact. JD never really made that market nor did Ford or anyone of the other US companies. Company' like Kubota and Kioti initiated that smaller market here in the US way back in like the 80's. And JD didn't get on that band wagon until much later. JD made the big stuff and still does. The stuff the Farmers use. Us smaller landowners, landscapers and such use this little stuff more. Different market. .
This...

It's analogous to the auto industry. Japanese perfected small long lasting efficient cars while the US auto makers were/are focusing on trucks, SUVs and Cadillacs.....and the Koreans are catching up.
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This...
It's analogous to the auto industry. Japanese perfected small long lasting efficient cars while the US auto makers were/are focusing on trucks, SUVs and Cadillacs.....and the Koreans are catching up.
You really cannot compare the tractor and equipment industry to the automobile industry. You hear statements by Mahindra that they're the largest selling tractors in the world, but they're selling a bunch of utilitarian tiny tractors to rice farmers in places like Vietnam. The compact tractor production of today has been essentially turned over to a bunch of third world manufacturers in places like Japan, Korea, India and even places like Uzbekistan. Out of all the major tractor manufacturers, only Kubota really makes their own tractors.

The Big Boys like John Deere, CNH, Agco, etc. are placing their talents and financial resources into what they do well--over 150 hp tractors, hay tools, combines, harvesting equipment and computerized planting equipment. And as technology improves, programs like drone tractors and GPS planting/harvesting are taking huge amounts of money to perfect. They have also been bombarded worldwide with the "green initiative" and governmental regulations requiring engine emissions to be lowered to levels not ever seen in diesel engines. This is an extremely capital intensive business, and it would take a dozen or more compact tractor sales to make up for the sales and profits of one real agricultural 200 hp 4wd tractor.

I remain a fan of heavy cast iron tractors like the Ford/NH 4630, the Case MX110's and certain JD non-turbo 6 cylinder tractors around 100 hp. These are machines that most homeowners have no need for. They pull incredible resale prices due to the parts and service available to keep them running 40-50-60 years after some were built. But they're difficult to move around, and more machine than play farmers and homeowners often need.

If you need a compact tractor or subcompact tractor, you cannot go wrong with the Kubota, John Deere, LS, New Holland, Kioti or many others. Just remember it's the dealer that often makes the difference because he's got to be there to sell you parts and service for the long run. I always suggest trying to buy local, even if it costs you a little more. And buy the tractor that suits your present AND future needs so you don't have to trade. I prefer to spend money on buying more implements than having to trade for a larger tractor.



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