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Old 06-19-2019, 03:04 PM
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We were looking at compact tractors a few months ago and settled on the kubota. The one thing that drove us from JD was that they use a proprietary type mount for the FEL attachments. The kubota uses just a standard skid-steer-quick-attach that's really common to come across
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Old 06-19-2019, 03:05 PM
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Just bought a Kubota L3301 , unfortunately with the regen, but I needed the extra hp on the PTO

Buy the 2501 kubota without the regen , you wonít be sorry ...!

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Old 06-19-2019, 03:21 PM
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John Deere has an excellent leasing plan if you need it for tax purposes
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Old 06-19-2019, 03:35 PM
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Curious what died on the 950?

We have a 750 about that age that is beat to hell and back. Not a lot that can go out on them that isnít reasonable to fix.
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Old 06-19-2019, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Curious what died on the 950?

We have a 750 about that age that is beat to hell and back. Not a lot that can go out on them that isnít reasonable to fix.
So now you're forcing a confession from me!

I'm usually good at maintenance, and catching problems before they become catastrophic, but I failed my 950 in this regard. There's a little rubber tube that comes out of the port side of the block, goes to a drain fitting, and then from the drain fitting to the bottom of the radiator. That tube had cracked where it pressed onto the nipple of the drain fitting. I didn't notice it, and either didn't notice my temperature light, or it didn't work, either. After about 20 minutes of tilling, the motor died in a puff of blue smoke. The motor was so hot it was smoking. I immediately knew I had screwed up majorly. After it cooled down, I drained the oil (it looked fine, with no metal, though I haven't poured it through a screen, yet, which I plan to do). But I could not get the motor to turn over, and couldn't turn it over by hand. I'm pretty certain it's locked up. I'm doing a little more diagnosis on it to be sure. If it is locked up, I thought about trying to rebuild it myself, but I have too many projects already. If anyone needs a 950 with a lightly siezed motor, let me know!

I probably could have gotten another 20 years out of the tractor, but for my negligence. It took me a couple of days to get over the horror of it. We had started looking for a replacement, anyway (my wife wants a backhoe and front end loader), so it just forced me to go ahead and find a replacement.

So, check those tubes, and make sure your temperature light works. Otherwise, you could murder your tractor, too. If anyone needs a 950 with a lightly siezed motor, let me know!
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Old 06-19-2019, 03:51 PM
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I had experience with both at a former employer some years ago.
The JD always seemed to require more repairs, and they were always more expensive.
The ATV's were the same. The Kubotas didn't break near as much as the Gators.
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Originally Posted by lps View Post
So now you're forcing a confession from me!

I'm usually good at maintenance, and catching problems before they become catastrophic, but I failed my 950 in this regard. There's a little rubber tube that comes out of the port side of the block, goes to a drain fitting, and then from the drain fitting to the bottom of the radiator. That tube had cracked where it pressed onto the nipple of the drain fitting. I didn't notice it, and either didn't notice my temperature light, or it didn't work, either. After about 20 minutes of tilling, the motor died in a puff of blue smoke. The motor was so hot it was smoking. I immediately knew I had screwed up majorly. After it cooled down, I drained the oil (it looked fine, with no metal, though I haven't poured it through a screen, yet, which I plan to do). But I could not get the motor to turn over, and couldn't turn it over by hand. I'm pretty certain it's locked up. I'm doing a little more diagnosis on it to be sure. If it is locked up, I thought about trying to rebuild it myself, but I have too many projects already. If anyone needs a 950 with a lightly siezed motor, let me know!

I probably could have gotten another 20 years out of the tractor, but for my negligence. It took me a couple of days to get over the horror of it. We had started looking for a replacement, anyway (my wife wants a backhoe and front end loader), so it just forced me to go ahead and find a replacement.

So, check those tubes, and make sure your temperature light works. Otherwise, you could murder your tractor, too. If anyone needs a 950 with a lightly siezed motor, let me know!
makes sense. We wore out our 750 a while back and found a motor on eBay. Picked it up for about 500 bucks with a jacked up injection pump. Basically pieced it back together. Itís about that same age and was previously owned by a municipality. Got it in exchange for a few barrels of scrap. At the time the hour meter was stuck at 4800 and change and appeared to have not been working for a LONG time.
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Old 06-19-2019, 03:55 PM
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I have owned several kubota and john deere tractors.
I own two kubota's now. Doubt I'll buy another JD.
The kubota wins in that category, imo.
Look at the rear axle. The 3 range transmission (assuming hst) is a huge benefit. I believe there is a youtube video comparing them.
I have a L3301 and my friend has a 3032. I have logged many hours on both. I much prefer the kubota.
If the emissions don't scare you jump up a little in power. Either are good machines.

Most people seem to regret backhoe in that class unless it is truly a day to day need.
Much better off renting a mini ex as needed.
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Old 06-19-2019, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DVR View Post
I have owned several kubota and john deere tractors.
I own two kubota's now. Doubt I'll buy another JD.
The kubota wins in that category, imo.
Look at the rear axle. The 3 range transmission (assuming hst) is a huge benefit. I believe there is a youtube video comparing them.
I have a L3301 and my friend has a 3032. I have logged many hours on both. I much prefer the kubota.
If the emissions don't scare you jump up a little in power. Either are good machines.

Most people seem to regret backhoe in that class unless it is truly a day to day need.
Much better off renting a mini ex as needed.
agree completely regarding the backhoe. If the need is frequent but light duty maybe. Otherwise they are just too slow compared to a mini. A good size mini is about $400 - $450 a day delivered, and easily makes up for that cost in productivity if you are doing much of anything.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:20 PM
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Yes, I'm probably going to pass on the backhoe. It adds $9K to the price, and puts it way over my budget. I have a buddy that has a Ford 5500 backhoe, and he lets me use it when I need to, so I think the smaller backhoe will be a disappointment (and unnecessary).

I'll look around and see if I can find a used motor for the 950. I'd much rather fix it and sell it running.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:38 PM
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You'll rarely use the Backhoe anyway. And it will be in the way of everything else you hook up back there. And it isn't the most useful thing on a compact or sub compact anyway. Sure doesn't do the job a rental Mini Excavator will do for you the one day in years you'll need one. Skip it.

As to compacts and subcompacts... JD is mostly Japanese stuff, some Korean and even Indian stuff. All then assembled in Georgia. But really so is Kubota. Don't limit yourself. Look at Kioti too while you're at it. Korean and assembly in NC. Good wide dealer support. I eliminated JD for its use of proprietary attachments in the FEL. I ended up with Kioti because I had a good dependable long term dealer that sells and swears buy them and they use Skid Steer stuff. That said I like a lot of things about Kubota but the value was there in the Kioti and so was the dealer so it all fit me best.

I went with a 25 horsepower model to avoid the EPA emission stuff. That HP is sub Tier 4.

But speaking of dealers.... buy the brand from a dealer that you can assure will be there and support you. No matter what brand you buy.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:42 PM
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Kubota imo....all day long. Especially for a machine in that hp range.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
You'll rarely use the Backhoe anyway. And it will be in the way of everything else you hook up back there. And it isn't the most useful thing on a compact or sub compact anyway. Sure doesn't do the job a rental Mini Excavator will do for you the one day in years you'll need one. Skip it.

As to compacts and subcompacts... JD is mostly Japanese stuff, some Korean and even Indian stuff. All then assembled in Georgia. But really so is Kubota. Don't limit yourself. Look at Kioti too while you're at it. Korean and assembly in NC. Good wide dealer support. I eliminated JD for its use of proprietary attachments in the FEL. I ended up with Kioti because I had a good dependable long term dealer that sells and swears buy them and they use Skid Steer stuff. That said I like a lot of things about Kubota but the value was there in the Kioti and so was the dealer so it all fit me best.

I went with a 25 horsepower model to avoid the EPA emission stuff. That HP is sub Tier 4.

But speaking of dealers.... buy the brand from a dealer that you can assure will be there and support you. No matter what brand you buy.
My needs are a little unique but I use my backhoe a lot. Same as or more than the FEL. The backhoes are very simple and quick to remove on Kubotas. I can do mine under 15 min.

Agree 100% that local dealer support is a huge factor in a decision.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by stimpson.j.cat View Post

My needs are a little unique but I use my backhoe a lot. Same as or more than the FEL. The backhoes are very simple and quick to remove on Kubotas. I can do mine under 15 min.

Agree 100% that local dealer support is a huge factor in a decision.
From my experience you are unique. Not doubting you at all. But the OP sounded like he didn't need one from his comments. Most people find theirs sits in the barn 99% of the time. They can be that simple but you pretty much must have a good level solid surface to set them on so that everything lines up real good. Like a concrete floor or something. I have dirt floor barns so Id have to prepare for one. I use my tractor for bush hog and tilling and some scraping and deep soil prep. And I use the FEL all the time. Grapple, bucket and forks. Thats all the time what I need a tractor for.
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:23 PM
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We had started looking for a replacement, anyway (my wife wants a backhoe and front end loader), so it just forced me to go ahead and find a replacement.

Pics of wife on the tractor. Hopefully in Daisy Dukes'
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:30 PM
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I have a 3038E and have been fairly happy with it. The loader isnít very big and really canít move a lot of material so it all depends on what youíre using it for. It has been trouble free for the 4 years Iíve owned it. You wonít be able to get a backhoe as the e series doesnít have rear hydraulics (unless thatís changed since 2015)
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:32 PM
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Yes, I think that the backhoe would be rarely used, and when it is attached, it would be in the way of other implements, and thus a pain in the ass. I'm happy to do without it, but surprisingly, my wife needs convincing (she's about convinced, and the $9K price tag went a long way towards convincing her).

I will look at Kioti and others, but I have a JD dealer and a Kubota dealer here, so that does play a role in my decision. The Kubota dealer is a friend. I'd rather him make the money off of me, as I figure it's more likely that some of it will eventually make its way back to me at some point.
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Sounds like Kubota is best for you then. All those things align just right for you it sounds to me. Hey... if the wife wants a back hoe get her a back hoe! LOL
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:01 PM
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Pics of wife on the tractor. Hopefully in Daisy Dukes'
First I have to get the tractor . . .
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:06 PM
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I just bought a Kubota B2601, Hydrostatic 4x4 with FEL, 7' backhoe, boxscraper, and a set of forks. Have about 20 hrs on it, about 10 of those backhoe use. I can have the backhoe off of it and the scraper on it in literally under 5 minutes. Tractor will fit through a 48" gate with the FEL raised up. I have already done some impressive things with it for such a small unit.

I looked at LS, JD, and Kioti. The Kioti was the only other unit I was even slightly interested in after looking at all of them. The local Kubota Dealer had a better operation going then the Kioti dealer, price of Kioti was only about $500 less with extras and I liked the Kubota backhoe better. Other then that the Kioti seemed like an equivalent unit.
Very happy with my decision at this point. Roughly $27K delivered.
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