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Old 06-24-2019, 01:44 PM
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Montana might be next. But the five animals of the forest of the first people might just keep em thinned out. hehe.
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Old 06-24-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
My vote is "No".
I was born and raised in old shoreline New England. Specifically... Stonington Connecticut....right next to Mystic, and Noank. All cute little shoreline villages with roots in ship making and fishing. The core of Stonington, Stonington Village, aka "The Borough"....was the home of an old fishing fleet, mostly Portuguese families...hard working blue collar and mostly surrounding the fishing industry. I grew up just outside of the borough.

As time went on, I'd say some time starting in the 80's...the fishing industry was going into hard times and shrinking. We'd see some condo developments coming in, turning old factories and schools into fancy high end condos. The "rich New Yorkers" starting buying those for their summer vacation homes in "cute New England". Pretty soon these rich New Yorkers who just moved in...were complaining about the fish and lobster delivery trucks making noise at 5 and 6am! Imagine that? Move into a fishing village and complain about the noise of delivers heading out early in the morning! It's like moving next to an airport and complaining about the noise of jets!

Local stores such as in downtown Mystic, and in the Stonington VIllage...all being replaced by typical high priced "boutiques" with typical generic things to sell to tourists..mostly made in china stuff typical for tourists you find in the same style stores all around, or catalogs. Not much "original" anymore like local shops in the past had.

I live several towns west now...over in Waterford on the Niantic River. I've seen Niantic go through similar changes.

Back in the 70's...driving around was fast and easy. These days..it's all traffic. I-95 on the weekends is a parking lot! New York and New Jersey license plates head north on Fridays..and come up here, or Rhode Island, or The Cape, or Hampton Beach NH or Maine. And on Sundays..it's those same license plates driving back south trying to get home. So yup...I avoid 95 on late Fridays or Sundays. And even local roads are packed!

Shoreline areas are a finite resource. They're ALL getting crowded! It's not just Florida. Both myself..and my wife....our family has had roots in Florida for a long time, both coasts, so I've seen FL change too. And yup pretty soon my wife and I will be spending more and more time down there instead of the usual 3 or 4 times a year...as we're closing on a condo in a few weeks on Perico Island. Yup some people already there will moan and grown hearing about another couple from CT moving down there. But they forgot that they, or their parents, moved there from someplace else too! Unless they're native American Indians originally from that area. (which I highly doubt).
The Portuguese immigrants to New England in the late 19th century were hardly welcomed. Now they are the "hard working, blue collar... fishing industry" folks... but a few short years ago (OK, maybe a century) they were called the N word and considered by the "natives" to be the ones ruining paradise!

Ditto for the Irish and Scotch-Irish who are now the aristocracy and old line families of the South. Back then they were shiftless lazybones who drank and fought too much. Now the McBrides and McNallys and McLellands are the "natives" in GA, AL, MC, NC, etc. and it's the New Yorkers who are ruining things.

Nothing new... everybody wants to close the bridge after they cross it. And, yes, immigrants ruin bit-by-bit the "paradise" that attracted them in the first place. Such is life.
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Old 06-24-2019, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
The discussion is about the negative impact of population influx (and the attendant "growth" ) into areas that in our lifetime had a certain charm.
You feel your presence at your Florida Condo is a positive thing for you and your family. The question is is it a positive thing for Florida to have you pop on over along with a million of your closest frinds.
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But the other half of my post was about "it's happening almost everyone..notably anyplace with shoreline. Coastal living is a finite resource...it's not unlimited...and "empty/rural" coast living and/or affordable coasting living is pretty much gone. It's not just all about Florida experiencing this.
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Old 06-24-2019, 02:41 PM
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I love how "natives" complain yet it was the "Natives" that sold to the outsider and kept all that MONEY.

Things change. You can't keep a hot spot ie. paradise a secret for ever. My parents were one of the first into a new development at the Jersey shore, waterfront homes 3 bd 1 bath 10 min to the beach and on a lagoon for under 11K. Within 4 years the prices were at 24K, now close to half a million for the old house.
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Old 06-24-2019, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
But the other half of my post was about "it's happening almost everyone..notably anyplace with shoreline. Coastal living is a finite resource...it's not unlimited...and "empty/rural" coast living and/or affordable coasting living is pretty much gone. It's not just all about Florida experiencing this.
True. So no matter where you choose to focus your discussion, is it a good thing for “the natives”
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Old 06-24-2019, 04:25 PM
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We have a whole bunch of Yankees move down here, and all of a sudden want land use controls. Start screaming about how population growth is ruining Florida. Then after the debacle that was the evacuation with Irma a couple of years ago, the state decides we need new roads to get the people north out of Florida. Same people are screaming that the roads will bring new growth and ruin the state. Don’t they get it that they are the problem?
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Old 06-24-2019, 04:34 PM
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Why are you still using Yankee??
you surrendered....you lost
please refer to your fellow American brothers and sisters respectively
plus I'm a Red Sox fan and hate the Yankees

and be happy we spend our money there on vacation........
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Old 06-24-2019, 04:46 PM
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The growth has been a huge positive for my hometown IMO. It's one of the fastest growing cities in the US, they tell us over 100 people move here a day. Thousands of jobs are being created, we're building mass transit and smart, (mostly) dense development. Sure it's not popular with every native, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

If you are just talking about rural sprawl, yes I get it.
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I met a women who lives in a high rise on Daniel Island.
she was from Connecticut.
She says the 5 neighbors she can see from her balcony are also from there.
There is a God!!
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Old 06-24-2019, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Lprizman View Post
Why are you still using Yankee??
you surrendered....you lost
please refer to your fellow American brothers and sisters respectively
Division. The American way.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:35 PM
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I moved to Texas thirteen years ago and it is slowly turning into what I moved away from.

In my perfect world when you move to a new state you would have to live there twenty years before you could vote in state and local elections. That way you would have time to understand why things are the way they are and people may be less likely to move to heaven on earth and then immediately try to turn it into what they just left.
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Old 06-24-2019, 07:16 PM
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With a sudden influx of population comes added taxes because those kids need to go to new schools, so taxes go up to pay off the construction of those schools, roads, infrastructure that goes along with everything newcomers need.

If locals didn't sell no new comers would arrive, we all have a price, pert of the cost of selling out is your neighbor has to deal with the mess.
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Old 06-24-2019, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TorFed View Post
Division. The American way.
you don’t like diversity???
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
Define "improved".

In general, population growth since i was a kid has ruined a lot of places, tourism aside. I grew up between 1947 and 1965. The US population in 1950 was 161 million. Today it is 327 million- a 103% increase. It's more crowded almost everywhere. There are twioce as many tourists crowding into popular areas that have had their own big population growth.
Agree, twice as many people!
Also, market/economy has been headed up for the last decade, so more people can afford McMansions, vacation homes, boats etc
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:22 AM
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Economic stagnation is a problem too. My hometown of Corpus Christi has not experienced any significant growth in my entire life. There are a bunch of refineries that have lots of good jobs but the turnover is pretty low so getting a foot in the door can be difficult. Has made it tough to find a decent job there and as a result I have only been able to spend 3 of the last 9 years since I graduated there due to work.
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Old 06-25-2019, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post

True. So no matter where you choose to focus your discussion, is it a good thing for “the natives”
My answer is "no"...because I'd wager most of us "natives" prefer things the old way.

At least I do. When I go back to my home town to visit my mom, I look around and say to myself "ugh..look at all this development, look at all this traffic, look at all these new stoplights on Route 1, look at all these expensive "gimmicky tourist shops", etc. Look at all these generic mcmansions cropping up along roads ..taking up fields I played in as a kid.

I say the same driving through Mystic, or Noank...CT.

Much of the tourism in the area also came from the two big indian casinos...Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun...both minutes away.
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Old 06-25-2019, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
The discussion is about the negative impact of population influx (and the attendant "growth" ) into areas that in our lifetime had a certain charm.
You feel your presence at your Florida Condo is a positive thing for you and your family. The question is is it a positive thing for Florida to have you pop on over along with a million of your closest friends.
Don't forget to add in the tourists.

Visit Florida estimates 111.8 million domestic visitors traveled to Florida in 2018, plus an estimated 10.8 million overseas visitors and 3.5 million Canadians.

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Some of you guys crack me up. If you don't want people coming to Florida and other states why on earth are you selling your land? Guess you need the money, maybe your taxes will be lower?
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Originally Posted by nautiduck View Post
"Wow I am so glad these douchebags from NY or NJ moved here. They sure made our lives better!" Said no one ever.
I am glad they are gone. Tell them I said hi.
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Old 06-25-2019, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2LBI View Post
thank you for your open arms welcome, we have plenty more where they came from and will continue to send more and more each day.
I would love to see an impact tax charged for every person who packs up and moves to Florida. About 15 grand a head should slow the train down a little bit. I also think it should be as tough to build in every county as it is down in the Keys.
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