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Old 06-13-2019, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bikem View Post
I know for a fact they write tickets here because my wife worked public safety and I know all the cops. As I said in my post above they actually look for people blocking lanes.
Yep my buddy got pulled over for doing that. Cops will write tickets for anything. Heck isn't there a thread about a cop shutting down a child's lemonade stand
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:10 AM
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so many people have this "me first" attitude that it will never work
if that were true wouldn't everyone be in the zipper lane to get ahead?

if traffic is stopped dead and the zipper lane is available -- yes, use the zipper. If traffic is moving at a good rate with the upcoming zipper lane and you wait until the last minute to merge just to get a few car lengths ahead -- I'm gonna give you the finger
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:13 AM
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The problem is a lot of people are so stupid they do not know the difference between merging and cutting into a queue.

At the front of a line of stopped cars waiting at an exit is not the appropriate place to try to merge.

A lane and closure for construction is a different thing all together.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:27 AM
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:49 AM
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If you look at both of those videos, NO ONE in the 'zipper lane' passes ANYONE in the through lane... they just merge in. If they redid that video and showed the person in the 'zipper' lane zoom up to the last cone and cut in, it would be a accurate depiction of the problem.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:55 AM
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You're flat out wrong about this. The lane isn't closed until there is no more lane. Until then using ALL open lanes and "zipper merging" at the end keeps traffic flowing more freely and quickly. Those who think and behave as you do, or worse yet, prevent people from merging, are causing the traffic to slow down. That is what is frustrating. Plenty of studies on this, look them up.
I don't need to study, if you would read the posts you would see I have been told 30 times and I already said I looked it up.

In traffic studies I believe it shows that zipper method is the most efficient but that's likely because everyone in the test knows the zipper method and is doing it. It simply doesn't work like that because not everyone is doing the zipper method. It's one of those things that may work when testing but not in real life.
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I don't need to study, if you would read the posts you would see I have been told 30 times and I already said I looked it up.

In traffic studies I believe it shows that zipper method is the most efficient but that's likely because everyone in the test knows the zipper method and is doing it. It simply doesn't work like that because not everyone is doing the zipper method. It's one of those things that may work when testing but not in real life.
It works well once you get people in the area to understand it. There are always some people who insist it's terrible but once you get above a certain threshold of drivers in the population it takes off. Fewer and fewer people merge early and the lanes which today you're used to seeing wide open while the through-lane backs up, just don't empty out until the merge point.

Once people learn it, it's a huge improvement.
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Re recent comment:

"In traffic studies I believe it shows that zipper method is the most efficient but that's likely because everyone in the test knows the zipper method and is doing it. It simply doesn't work like that because not everyone is doing the zipper method. It's one of those things that may work when testing but not in real life."

In Ohio - due to drivers

And I live here & am a native

However - I have lived all over the country as well as driven in NYC - Boston - Sarasota- Reno - California

Ohio drivers are the worst hands down

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Old 06-13-2019, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by loverofshells View Post
Re recent comment:

"In traffic studies I believe it shows that zipper method is the most efficient but that's likely because everyone in the test knows the zipper method and is doing it. It simply doesn't work like that because not everyone is doing the zipper method. It's one of those things that may work when testing but not in real life."

In Ohio - due to drivers

And I live here & am a native

However - I have lived all over the country as well as driven in NYC - Boston - Sarasota- Reno - California

Ohio drivers are the worst hands down
only Florida drivers are worse than atlanta drivers
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I have no problem with merge lanes. If it is heavy traffic let one in and alternate. My only issue is when someone tries to go to the last minute and then merge in where there is not enough room. Its not my job to slam on my breaks and let you in, especially if there is a large space right behind me. Well, actually it is not my issue.

If you do have a problem with people passing on the right just don't let them in. No skin off my back either way. No reason to get your panties in a wad over it.
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Ohio drivers in Florida count too
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As mentioned, not a single car is supposed to wait until the end of the lane. From previous descriptions the "zipper" method has not been applied correctly. Note the merge NOW sign 1/8 of a mile after the zipper announcement.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:27 PM
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It's just like when they added round about, a lot of people didn't understand them and how to drive them. At some point most people will adapt to the zipper merge, until then there will be a lot of people getting passes and mad as one lane piles up...
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Some were driving in Europe many years ago with roundabouts and no traffic control signs at intersections. You had better know the rules for sure.

When the cars zip up to the end of the lane and jam up traffic waiting for cars to let them in then the "zipper' has not been performed correctly.

As I mentioned earlier, I drove through an early merge area at speed. It was totally amazing as to how well the traffic flowed.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:47 PM
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Since the zipper merge theme has been going around THT for a while I decided to give it a try. I was pulling my boat in stop and go interstate traffic for a few miles, road crew ahead in left lane. I started to merge right like everyone else about 1/4 mile before the crew. Then I thought of THT and how only idiots merge early and the proper way is to zipper merge at the last second. So I stay left and pass about 1/8 miles of cars all while getting pushed onto the left shoulder by 3 vehicles who swerved over to try to stop my progress. Finally an 18 wheeler really swung left and made it impossible for me to proceed for less than the last 1/8 mile so I was forced behind him. I must say, I felt like such a dick. Maybe zipper merging at the last minute is the way the rest of the country does it but not in Texas. Yes it is the law here (I checked) but never has been done and I don't see it ever happening. When someone flies past traffic now I know for sure that they are from out of state or a THT member. I am going back to cutting off inconsiderate people who don't get over at the first chance when merging is required. I still feel ashamed.
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:51 PM
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the A holes that merge onto the highway also need to know that if the traffic signs are posted for 60 and vehicles are traveling at 60MPH , they are suppose to use their foot to get their vehicle to that same speed to merge into the traffic.
there is no need for the ones travailing at posted speed to have to hit their breaks to let a slow moving merger in.

just to let you all know this is the 1st I have heard or read about the zipper method.
not sure where I should have run across it in the last 67 years of my life, but if you stay away from my zipper I will stay away from yours.
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:19 PM
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The speed at which traffic travels within the narrowed pattern is the speed at which traffic can travel into the pattern if merging takes place early enough, but that will never happen, so stop and zipper to enter it is.
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