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Old 06-11-2019, 01:53 PM
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Situation: couple of years ago, Mom wanted Dad's old guns out of the attic, so I removed them and took them home (we are in Pennsylvania). Two .32 autos and two .22 rifles. They haven't been fired since...oh, probably 1940 and I'm sure he never registered them with anyone. I cleaned, oiled, verified operation, etc.; they are in very good shape. In the meantime, I decided to get a carry permit, mainly to see what the process involved. Do I have to register the handguns ? I believe that you don't have to register long guns in PA, but I could be wrong. I searched about 10 pages of this forum but didn't come up with a clear answer.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:02 PM
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No such thing as a federal registry. If PA doesn’t have one, you are good to go. If they do look for every angle possible to legally stay unregistered. Guns with no paper trail are far superior to guns with one. Government has no business knowing about such.
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I'm with Auto..........don't make this complicated.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:32 PM
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Current Pennsylvania state law forbids gun registration. There is a thing called a PICS check conducted at time of sale of a handgun. That check is not required for someone who moves into the state with handguns already in possession. Since your handguns were not "sold" to you, rather passed from your father to you as an inheritance, it appears the PICS check is not required.

In March 2019, there was a bill in front of the Pensylvania House to create a firearm registration system, but it seems to have zero chance of becoming law.
https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvan...ce-of-passage/
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:01 PM
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What guns?
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:05 PM
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I thought this would be about Henrys heirloom sale where you customize the serial number
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:08 PM
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You dont need to do anything in PA. The city of Pittsburgh has passed some retarded laws banning certain guns since the synagogue shooting (but who actually lives in the city?) and Philly may have similar restrictions but in your circumstance I dont believe any of them apply.

Either way unless youre a felon or have one living with you, the guns are a non issue anywhere else in the state.
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Do the .22 even have serial numbers?

I don't think any of my older long guns have serial numbers except for a few of my older Winchesters I got from my Pops.

I think around 1967 or 1968 is when they started really putting serial numbers on rifles.

No chance I'd mention them to anyone regardless.
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You may need to give one of them away to a burglar without one. If you catch my drift.
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I would advise against using one of them for CC if they mean anything to you. In the event you would have to use the gun to defend yourself it will become evidence until the case is settled and for some reason firearms have a strange tendency to "disappear" in the evidence locker. Happens all the time. Buy the proper tool for the job you are doing, leave the heirlooms in the safe.
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Do not under any circumstances, and that includes posting stuff on the web like this, go around telling folks you have unregistered guns, especially handguns. All it does is make you a target for theft. Put those guns in a safe dry secure place and tell no-one except the person you intend to leave them to in case of death where they are. As Boogan said, if you decide to get a CC permit, buy a modern weapon that is fully registered and legal in your state and learn how to use it effectively. Feel free to clean, maintain and regularly fire your heirloom weapons if you chose but do it someplace private. Someday you may thank us.
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Originally Posted by geomike View Post
Situation: couple of years ago, Mom wanted Dad's old guns out of the attic, so I removed them and took them home (we are in Pennsylvania). Two .32 autos and two .22 rifles. They haven't been fired since...oh, probably 1940 and I'm sure he never registered them with anyone. I cleaned, oiled, verified operation, etc.; they are in very good shape. In the meantime, I decided to get a carry permit, mainly to see what the process involved. Do I have to register the handguns ? I believe that you don't have to register long guns in PA, but I could be wrong. I searched about 10 pages of this forum but didn't come up with a clear answer.
  • Do I have to register my firearms in Pennsylvania?
    No, in fact in Pennsylvania it is actually illegal for any government or police agency to keep a registry of firearms per 18 Pa.C.S. § 6111.4 (Registration of firearms). If you legally possess bring your firearms into the Pennsylvania or come into possession of the firearms legally, no further action is required.It should be noted however that all transfers of handguns in Pennsylvania are required to go through the Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) and as such the Pennsylvania State Police keep a "Sales Database" of all handguns purchased within the Commonwealth. While almost any casual observer can see that this database clearly violates the spirit of 18 Pa.C.S. § 6111.4 (Registration of firearms), in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court agreed with the Pennsylvania State Police that because the database is not a complete record of all handgun ownership (as people bringing handguns into the state do not have to register them)...

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The West wasn`t won with a registered gun................................
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:34 AM
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The 32 autos wouldn’t be Colts by chance?
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Do not under any circumstances, and that includes posting stuff on the web like this, go around telling folks you have unregistered guns, especially handguns. All it does is make you a target for theft. Put those guns in a safe dry secure place and tell no-one except the person you intend to leave them to in case of death where they are. As Boogan said, if you decide to get a CC permit, buy a modern weapon that is fully registered and legal in your state and learn how to use it effectively. Feel free to clean, maintain and regularly fire your heirloom weapons if you chose but do it someplace private. Someday you may thank us.
It's impossible to federally register a handgun, and sounds to be the same case in PA. How do you propose "fully registering" anything? For anyone that doesn't know, buying through a dealer and going through a background check/filling out an ATF form 4473 IS NOT REGISTERING a gun. There is a federal law in place that bars the existence of a federal gun registration. It is possible to do a breadcrumb tracking following the paper trailer starting with the manufacture, then distributor(s), then dealer(s), then final purchaser. It's not possible for the feds to just look that up via computer.

I do agree that for carry, only relatively modern, drop safe weapons, are appropriate. Preferable one with no manual safety. But "registered' or not makes no difference in the legality of carrying that specific firearm for concealed carry. Any legally purchased/possessed gun is perfectly fine for carry.

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Originally Posted by 1blueheron View Post
Do not under any circumstances, and that includes posting stuff on the web like this, go around telling folks you have unregistered guns, especially handguns. All it does is make you a target for theft. Put those guns in a safe dry secure place and tell no-one except the person you intend to leave them to in case of death where they are. As Boogan said, if you decide to get a CC permit, buy a modern weapon that is fully registered and legal in your state and learn how to use it effectively. Feel free to clean, maintain and regularly fire your heirloom weapons if you chose but do it someplace private. Someday you may thank us.
Thank you for what? Your paragraph of nonsense and delusional paranoia? Its PA, there is no registry just like most of the country. Every gun owner in the state has unregistered guns. He can shoot his guns where ever the hell he likes at any gun range.

Christ you act like he has some forbidden contraband. Just about every house a shithead would want to break into in rural PA is going to have "heirloom" guns that arent registered to anyone. To clarify for the tinfoiler, by "heirloom" I mean given by family not necessarily antique.

You need to stop watching cop dramas on TV where they can magically pull up every single firearm owners guns and if a gun isnt in the system or doesnt have serial numbers its an illegal weapon. It doesnt work that way in real life
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