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So I got Cigautera last Thursday night......

Old 06-10-2019, 06:26 PM
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Default So I got Cigautera last Thursday night......

Decided to cook a nice Hogfish dinner last Thursday for my wife and I along with two other couples in our neighborhood. I got the hogs in the Bahamas a few days before on a family trip. Anyways I woke up around midnight with an upset stomach and a lot of G.I. symptoms similar to food poisoning. Then the neurological symptoms started the next morning and have continued until present time. I have a lot of numbness, tingling, and temperature reversal that comes and goes throughout the day. I was wondering what anyone elseís experience is with it and how long it lasted? I know it can pretty much go on indefinitely which would suck. By the way my wife and one neighbor that dives a lot got it as well but the other three were spared.

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Man, I wish you well. Havent had it. That sucks.
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Good luck bro, just got over Food Piosoning myself, temperature reversal stuff would.be unreal...Good Luck...
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How do you get this? Yikes
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Hope if turns out well. Iíve been told by more than a few donít eat the hogs in the Bahamas (cudas
ok but never the hogs)
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I have some good news for you and bad. The good news is that it will go away, eventually (assuming you are healthy and younger). The bad news is that it can last a long time. My dad and I caught ciguatera in 2006 by eating a speckled hind in Cat Island as we were staying in Hawks Nest Marina. Our fish was old and large for a hind. It hit us hard. I think I tried to drink a bottle of pepto after I finally got to a drug store up north on the island. The GI symptoms were only 24-36 hours. The muscle weakness (felt like lactic acid build-up after little movement), fatigue, itching, etc. lasted about six months for me. It was rough. It did not help that I was starting graduate school soon after contracting it.

I am sorry to hear that you caught it, and I hope it is a mild case. I am curious. Where did you get the hogfish?
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My GI stuff was gone within 24 hours. Itís been 4 days and things have gotten better but it kind of comes and goes. Iíve heard the same thing about cudaís and not eating hogfish but Iíve been fishing and diving in the islands since I was a little kid. Iím 35 now and I guess itís full circle after getting so many hogs over the years that one would get me. The symptoms are debilitating and I havenít missed a day of work but just really annoying. Sidenote I was diving with my brother over there and we saw a really big tiger grouper and I told them donít spear it because theyíre notorious for Cigautera. Joke was on me. We were near the gingerbreads.
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Originally Posted by Bront Antwoord View Post
How do you get this? Yikes
Eating reef fish that have consumed the algae Gambierdiscus toxicus. The fish accumulate a substance which is toxic to humans but not to the fish.
Ernstaa, do your teeth feel like they're coming loose?
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Being up north I don.t generally worry about it. Did some quick googling and that temp reversal stuff sounds crazy. A hot shower feeling cold? Weird.

Anyway take care, feel better!!
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Ahhh that sux... ouf of curiosity did you notice while cleaning if any flies landed on fillets... rumor from Bahamian with Barracude or(wrasse) species if flies lands on fillet, it does not contain cig but if it will not land on fish its contaminated.
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Ahhh that sux... ouf of curiosity did you notice while cleaning if any flies landed on fillets... rumor from Bahamian with Barracude or(wrasse) species if flies lands on fillet, it does not contain cig but if it will not land on fish its contaminated.
old wives tale. Same as if the ants won't eat it or if they catch the Barry in schools, of the south vs north side of the island, etc.

about the only real usable method for susceptible species is larger the fish, larger the chance.

edit to add: also boiling or stewing where the organs or bone marrow may leach it into the meal also may increase the chance.

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My GI stuff was gone within 24 hours. Itís been 4 days and things have gotten better but it kind of comes and goes. Iíve heard the same thing about cudaís and not eating hogfish but Iíve been fishing and diving in the islands since I was a little kid. Iím 35 now and I guess itís full circle after getting so many hogs over the years that one would get me. The symptoms are debilitating and I havenít missed a day of work but just really annoying. Sidenote I was diving with my brother over there and we saw a really big tiger grouper and I told them donít spear it because theyíre notorious for Cigautera. Joke was on me. We were near the gingerbreads.
thats not exactly how it works. Ciguaterra is a toxin. You can get 1 fish with enough of a dose to cause the symptoms or you can build it up over time because your body can not clear it.

So for example, eating a small snapper now may trigger symptoms if the snapper contains the toxin. Some people say they can't eat shell fish after. Take it slow when getting back on this horse.
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When I was in college, I interned for the USDA at one of their research facilities. One of the scientists there had just returned to work after a pretty bad battle with ciguatera. It left him completely blind for several months. His eyesight had recently returned when I started working at the lab, but he was still dealing with other neurological side effects (fatigue, pain, numbness). He had eaten barracuda while on a research trip somewhere.
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Comes from eating fish that eat fish that eat coral??? I think....lots of those in the keys and bahamas....can be nasty
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Often you can feel your fingertips tingling when cleaning the fish if cig toxin is present.
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I had two buddies in veterinary school who got Cigautera. It was bad. They ended up in Philly at a hospital. It was months before they were right again. One went back to veterinary school and finished. One had to drop out for financial reasons. It was devastating. I am sorry to hear you are experiencing the medical challenge.
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thats not exactly how it works. Ciguaterra is a toxin. You can get 1 fish with enough of a dose to cause the symptoms or you can build it up over time because your body can not clear it.

So for example, eating a small snapper now may trigger symptoms if the snapper contains the toxin. Some people say they can't eat shell fish after. Take it slow when getting back on this horse.
I sure feel like thatís exactly how it works. 3 people got sick after one dinner so I doubt we all accumulated at the same time. Iím not saying I have t had small doses before but one fish was definitely caring heavy. Iím not expecting anything to happen fast. I have some knowledge prior and have obviously researched since. Iím prepared for an extended run. Iím glad none of us have experienced vision problems. As for my teeth, they still feel in place but I do get pressure under them from time to time and I promise I brush.👍
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Hope if turns out well. Iíve been told by more than a few donít eat the hogs in the Bahamas (cudas
ok but never the hogs)
But isn't it more prevalent in barracudas than hogfish?
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A group of us contracted it about 15 years ago, eating grouper that were very large (old) and caught in 80' of water. We just didn't know any better and at first thought it was a form of food poisoning until the nerve symptoms appeared..... The GI stuff lasted about 2-3 days but the neurological problems take a long time to go away. There is no real cure or solution other than pain killers. Two of our party stayed five nights in the hospital on an IV to try and keep fluids and sustenance in them. Cold feels hot, and hot feels cold. numbness and general solid aches from the nervous system.

As noted above, the toxin can be a large or small dose in each and every fish. The toxin lives in coral, fish that eat coral polyps (wrasse family, tangs, surgeonfish, etc) pass it on to larger predators that eat those intermediaries. Personally speaking, since eating and ingesting the toxin 15 years ago, I am not able to even think about eating even a small hogfish or reef species grouper. The symptoms return within a few hours of eating it (generally when sleeping off a nice dinner capping off a day of fishing and drinking). So, for the rest of your life, you need to be more careful than somebody who never had a large dose of the toxin in their system.

PS, Deep drop grouper and snappers have never had any effect on my personal case of Ciguatera....(and I've tested that many, many times).
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Good point Tom, alcohol can also exacerbate the symptoms.
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