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Old 06-06-2019, 05:43 AM
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I watch BringATrailer pretty religiously and it seems like prices are beginning to drop a bit.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-53/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...e-cayman-s-48/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...carrera-4s-29/

A few more didn't get to reserve. The premium models and packages still seem to be holding up, but the base models might be coming back down. It's hard to tell, since these are just a few examples, but I think that BaT tends to find the right price for average/normal cars.
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what is the P car
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Porsche. Yes the 996 and 986 are coming down into the 20s and teens They're also 15 years old now and have the reality of pulling the engine to fix rear main leak or welding on coolant hoses. Now if a 997.2 turbo manual gets into the 30s that's what I'm talkin about
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Originally Posted by jheiii View Post
Porsche. Yes the 996 and 986 are coming down into the 20s and teens They're also 15 years old now and have the reality of pulling the engine to fix rear main leak or welding on coolant hoses. Now if a 997.2 turbo manual gets into the 30s that's what I'm talkin about
We might just be seeing more of the 996's hitting the market that haven't had the bearing done yet, and the pricing is reflecting that. It doesn't look that difficult of a fix. I've never owned one but would like to in the next couple of years. Having to fix an IMS wouldn't put me off a nice example if the price comes down another 5-10%.
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Originally Posted by ylyl1943 View Post
what is the P car
A douchey way of saying Porsche. They think it makes them look like theyre in the club. I have a 356 speedster and its a Porsche, not a "P" car.
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I bought the Poor mans Porsche, a 04 Subaru WRX. Stock for now, but easy 300 AWHP. And not hard to work on, if you want to get crazy, the STI can get to 450 AWHP with some modest upgrades.
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Those early 2000 models are the least desirable. 2014 - '17 cars are still trading at a premium
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
Those early 2000 models are the least desirable. 2014 - '17 cars are still trading at a premium
I don't understand why they're the least desirable. Aside from the IMS issue, were there other performance or mechanical issues?
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I don't understand why they're the least desirable. Aside from the IMS issue, were there other performance or mechanical issues?
Ugly redesign of the nose to include the headlights on the 911. Hence why they are priced so cheaply. They are actually the best bargain going for someone looking to buy a German sports car.
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
Ugly redesign of the nose to include the headlights on the 911. Hence why they are priced so cheaply. They are actually the best bargain going for someone looking to buy a German sports car.
Yes, I've heard that about the design and the introduction of the liquid cooled engine probably put some people off. But they're supposed to be great performers.
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I sold my P car to buy the boat due to adopting grand kids. I had a pristine 996 turbo. The Turbo does not have the IMS bearing issue. It is a Mezger racing engine and a damn fine one at that. I had the hated Tiptronics auto and the hated "fried egg" looking headlights. I did all the work to it myself. New billet turbos, 4" charge air coolers larger injectors and a Rentec built transmission all tuned by 911tuning.com. With the automatic, I could get a better off the line launch and not lose boost while shifting. It was insane fast. I hated foreign cars until I got this car and started going through it. My in house upholstery dep. completely redone the interior. It looked brand new. I installed a full Bilstein PSS10 suspension and it handled like it was on rails. I listed it for sale and sold it in 2 days for a lot more than I paid for it. I sure miss that car!







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Yes, I've heard that about the design and the introduction of the liquid cooled engine probably put some people off. But they're supposed to be great performers.
The engine is not liquid cooled. The heads are liquid cooled. They do have one issue with the cooling system that I fixed when I dropped the engine. The adhesive that bonds the coolant fittings would let go and you would lose all the coolant and it would get on the tires and wet the track if you were on a track. I had a line blow off mine at 10pm when I hit the throttle and the boost came on on the interstate. Scared the crap outta me. I made some calls and my tuner said just drive it home slowly that running without coolant that short trip wouldn't hurt it. He was right. Those cars have some amazing engineering in them. Every part of the body has a purpose. Much respect for a 911 turbo of all years.
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P car,,, it’s about the same thing as Chrysler K cars, they must be collectible by now!
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
Ugly redesign of the nose to include the headlights on the 911. Hence why they are priced so cheaply. They are actually the best bargain going for someone looking to buy a German sports car.
On a black turbo I think they look great. Any other color not so much. But check out that butt..lol




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996 Turbo is a great value ... Not sure where the pricing is right now - but when I purchased my 997 TT you could get a 996TT for around 40k with reasonable miles and in good shape..

Build those Mezger motors to some big HP with bolt on stuff and a tune
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Originally Posted by triplenet View Post
996 Turbo is a great value ... Not sure where the pricing is right now - but when I purchased my 997 TT you could get a 996TT for around 40k with reasonable miles and in good shape..

Build those Mezger motors to some big HP with bolt on stuff and a tune
Yep! Right before I sold it I was able to completely embarrass this douche with his tuned up Hell Cat from a dig and from 80 on. From 80, if you didn't have your head facing forward and back in the head rest, it would disorient your vision when the boost hit! Dammit...I'm talking myself into a 997 now..lol
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Vantaredoc....good on you!!!!
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Yep! Right before I sold it I was able to completely embarrass this douche with his tuned up Hell Cat from a dig and from 80 on. From 80, if you didn't have your head facing forward and back in the head rest, it would disorient your vision when the boost hit! Dammit...I'm talking myself into a 997 now..lol


Of all my cars the 997TT was my favorite... Not because of its looks, or luxurious interior LOL ,,,,,, but because the thing was an absolute beast ...

Race suspension, roll cage, tuned to just shy of 600HP, - it just went .... Blew away many American V8's on the back stretch of Sebring ...



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I have had a 2000 996 C4 for 12 years now. What a fun car to drive it is. I can't beat anyone that wants to race anymore, but sitting low with a growling engine behind you when you can drive pretty hard is a great way to kill an hour. I had the clutch replaced a few years ago (kids learned how to drive a clutch in that car), and they replaced the main seal then for $600. Pulling the engine specifically to replace the seal would be a couple grand (away from the dealership). They don't all have a seal problem (99 is the worst year, then 2000), and most of the porsche guys think if it hasn't failed yet it wont. I think at the current prices these cars are a steal.
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Pretty sure the reason demand is waning is largely based on the fact people call them "P cars" instead of Porsches.

Nobody wants to be associated with that sort of thing.

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