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Old 06-05-2019, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Grandstanding for certain. Hopefully what comes out of this is a demand that younger, active LEO’s who aren’t just waiting out retirement status be assigned SRO duty. I think a rotation of officers, even during s given school year vs a specific assigned officer would also be a positive improvement.


GOOD LUCK FINDING THEM, we have SRO’s in all schools in Anderson School District 5 but there are not too many LEO’s that want to be SRO’s. What I am told is not really any room for advancement once they take this position Plus in SC they have to have specific training for SRO’s as well which I think is another 4-6 weeks

Also the SRO builds a rep-ore or confidence with “his students “ and the students are very comfortable telling them things that they would not tell any other officer

As for this guy, I was curious to come on here and see what Cracker and other LEO’s said. I have no clue if he should be charged or not, dismissed at least (which I think he was) but I was not there nor do I know what is protocol . However if what I am reading is correct and accurate it sounds like he did not do anything that could have helped. Now would his actions have saved lives, NO WAY to prove that one way or another

I feel for those in LEO business , they are so scrutinized I wonder why younger folks will want to go into this field with we all need

End of day he has to live with the decisions he made.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:05 AM
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Without defending Peterson at all....has anyone here ever faced someone with a high powered hunting rifle (AR15) with nothing but a handgun? You might have a chance at 15 yards but try it form 50 plus yards down a school hall. For most normal human beings......It's a suicide mission...plain and simple. That's why it is silly for those security guards (or resource officers) not to be armed with rifles. Handguns simply don't cut it unless you are one hell of a shot.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post


and that’s great for the really dedicated SRO’s.

The guys buying time until retirement often take the approach that the whole post is one big coffee break. SRO at my wife’s school last year was like that. Constantly had to be asked to get out of his office and walk the halls. I’ll say pretty firmly that no officer buying time until retirement should be posted to a school on a permanent basis. Yet that (at least here) seems to be the bulk of the ones working schools.
I will make a final comment about School Resource Officers. In my current assignment I deal with a few of them on a semi regular basis. AGAIN, I AM NOT DEFENDING THIS POS SRO.

If ANY of you had to work in a school you would puke. You have no idea how liberal administrators at most schools now are. The SROs are hampered, big time. School personnel dont give out discipline near what it should be. School personnel are scared of parents, of upsetting children. IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO than when any of us went to school. I can understand not wanting to deal with school administrators, I COULD NOT DO IT as an SRO..
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:13 AM
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I will make a final comment about School Resource Officers. In my current assignment I deal with a few of them on a semi regular basis. AGAIN, I AM NOT DEFENDING THIS POS SRO.

If ANY of you had to work in a school you would puke. You have no idea how liberal administrators at most schools now are. The SROs are hampered, big time. School personnel dont give out discipline near what it should be. School personnel are scared of parents, of upsetting children. IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO than when any of us went to school. I can understand not wanting to deal with school administrators, I COULD NOT DO IT as an SRO..
So true my wife is a teacher says the same thing
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bugnut View Post
I also think that the all the public scrutiny with an upcoming trial might cause this officer to kill himself thereby adding to the death toll of that horrible day.
sometimes karma works these things out.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:37 AM
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I have thought from the beginning that the SRO could be at risk of suicide. Being charged with multiple felonies and facing 90+ years in prison if convicted increases that possibility.

Regarding the charges: Fair or not, he may avoid being charged for his inaction on the day of the incident, but the perjury charge after-the-fact will be difficult to beat.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Without defending Peterson at all....has anyone here ever faced someone with a high powered hunting rifle (AR15) with nothing but a handgun? You might have a chance at 15 yards but try it form 50 plus yards down a school hall. For most normal human beings......It's a suicide mission...plain and simple. That's why it is silly for those security guards (or resource officers) not to be armed with rifles. Handguns simply don't cut it unless you are one hell of a shot.
He still should have tried. Not trying is an automatic failure, you can never succeed if you don't try. Personally- I have put myself into a situation and disarmed a robber at a bar with nothing but my 2 hands, and I damned sure can hit a man sized target at 50 yards with any of my handguns.
That SRO should put a bullet in his head. I honestly don't understand how he is still alive-obviously none of those parents were raised with the old south system of justice.
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:04 AM
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The charges are likely going to be dropped.I doubt that there are statutes specific to inaction by a LEO in the face of danger.We would all like to think that all law enforcement officers are brave in the face of danger,but they are human.Saving one's own bacon and going away from danger is human nature and requiring anything else would be a stretch.The concept of requiring certain actions is a two edged sword because it takes an officer's discretion out of the mix.Perhaps the better solution would have been for the officer to have not had to face a gunman with his service pistol.The idea of a school officer is not bad on the surface,but they seem to become officer friendly and forget that they may need to actually defend the lives of the kids.According to most shooting reports,officers at the scene initially are outgunned and seem to wait for better armed backup before taking action.That's how they were trained.The IDF has a different type of training for situations like this and should be adopted by US police departments for school officer training.Part of the training is selecting the right individual for the job before the training ever starts.
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:15 AM
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I have a feeling charging him is more posturing than anything else. Before I pass judgement I need to know more info. What was his training, what physical condition was he allowed to maintain and what equipment did he have at his disposal?
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^^^^^Current training for active shooter is to engage. I dont know why that SRO and other responding officers/deputies did not go in. There were about 8 on scene first, that never went in..
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorne Greene View Post
I have a feeling charging him is more posturing than anything else. Before I pass judgement I need to know more info. What was his training, what physical condition was he allowed to maintain and what equipment did he have at his disposal?
Look at the specific charges...seven counts of neglect of a child and three counts of culpable negligence and one count of perjury.


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Old 06-05-2019, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Look at the specific charges...seven counts of neglect of a child and three counts of culpable negligence and one count of perjury.
That still doesn't answer my questions. If he had an AR, could run a 9 minute mile and was trained for a shooter and did nothing that's one thing. If his leadership allowed him to weigh 300#, could not run a 15 minute mile to save his life and equiped him with a .38 revolver that's a whole nother situation.
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Without defending Peterson at all....has anyone here ever faced someone with a high powered hunting rifle (AR15) with nothing but a handgun? You might have a chance at 15 yards but try it form 50 plus yards down a school hall. For most normal human beings......It's a suicide mission...plain and simple. That's why it is silly for those security guards (or resource officers) not to be armed with rifles. Handguns simply don't cut it unless you are one hell of a shot.
The SRO at my wife's school (actual currently employed cop, not retired) has a gun safe with at least three rifles available in his office at the school. They rotate the SRO position every two years I believe. In their department, it's considered a feather in the cap to have performed the SRO duty and looks good on the resume. And as far as I know it's younger guys that take the position usually. I believe they have a good system in place. Valuable asset when done correctly.
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:48 AM
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Yet, if he got” scared to death” on the job, he would have been hailed a “hero”.
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:22 AM
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I will make a final comment about School Resource Officers. In my current assignment I deal with a few of them on a semi regular basis. AGAIN, I AM NOT DEFENDING THIS POS SRO.

If ANY of you had to work in a school you would puke. You have no idea how liberal administrators at most schools now are. The SROs are hampered, big time. School personnel dont give out discipline near what it should be. School personnel are scared of parents, of upsetting children. IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO than when any of us went to school. I can understand not wanting to deal with school administrators, I COULD NOT DO IT as an SRO..

I did it for 5 years and loved it. It's a great job if you want to have a positive effect on the youth. I liked them all, even the bad ones cause eventually I'd win them over but I always had their respect cause they knew I truly cared. You'd be amazed how many leads on serious crimes were acquired in my office for a blank tardy pass or a few Oreos. Plus we had a week long training at a resort. Disney, Palm Springs, Reno etc. Off each holiday. And decent overtime. I liked it.
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Old 06-05-2019, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorne Greene View Post
That still doesn't answer my questions. If he had an AR, could run a 9 minute mile and was trained for a shooter and did nothing that's one thing. If his leadership allowed him to weigh 300#, could not run a 15 minute mile to save his life and equiped him with a .38 revolver that's a whole nother situation.
His weight and physical capabilities is his responsibility, not his leadership. Granted they play a role, but it is ultimately your responsibility to be prepared for what your job entails. You are responsible for your own actions.
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Old 06-05-2019, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by YFMF View Post
From everything I've ever been taught, "The police have no legal obligation to protect you", it's their out in case something goes wrong or you do get hurt/killed, the police can't be everywhere, thus this "out" protects them across the board. Just another reason for 2nd amendment rights to be uninfringed. (Yeah, I know it's not a word.)

I kinda think you were taught very wrong. The out if something goes wrong is you are acting in good faith.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:12 AM
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Cracker once posted something along the line that LEOs are trained to run towards the bullets in this type of situation, not run away from them. My hat's off to you and your brothers in blue.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FIREMEN122 View Post
His weight and physical capabilities is his responsibility, not his leadership. Granted they play a role, but it is ultimately your responsibility to be prepared for what your job entails. You are responsible for your own actions.
You are correct. His leadership is responsible making sure someone who can meet the physical requirements is staffing that position.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:43 AM
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Armchair heroes have no room to talk
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