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Instead of hijacking the other threads i'll let them run their course.

no need to ad lib, no union this, union that, no need for other pro/anti teacher input... just answer-

what should a teacher make a year where you live?

Where do you live?

What should their pension / retirement be per year?
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185 days a year. Around 7 to 7.5 hours a day. Most of the times when the kids have a half day, so do the teachers. So some days are less than 7-7.5 hours. Late start because of snow or early dismissal, no change in pay.

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185 days a year. Around 7 to 7.5 hours a day. Most of the times the kids have a half day, so do the teachers. So some days are less than 7-7.5 hours. Late start because of snow or early dismissal, no change in pay.
reading is hard
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reading is hard
blame a teacher.


I was just listing facts. Many don't realize it. Teachers dont' realize that as a non monetary benefit. They complain about working two jobs but many don't have the option of working another job because of the schedule of their first full time job
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Pay is tough to put a number on.

Retirement should be 100% private sector based, and not tied to a state pension.
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Supply and demand. Lots of ppl want to be a teacher.

That said, I'd think a 23 year old recent college graduate wanting to be a middle school teacher should be paid the median salary for college graduates of that geographic region. In my area, that would be in the upper $30s and quickly moving into the 40's with good performance and longevity.
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185 days a year. Around 7 to 7.5 hours a day. Most of the times the kids have a half day, so do the teachers. So some days are less than 7-7.5 hours. Late start because of snow or early dismissal, no change in pay.
Depends on the teacher and state , when my wife was teaching she put way more hrs than that. She stayed late doing lesson plans that had to be turned in and grading at home. They also have work days when kids have off

She also spent ALOT of her own money on teaching supplies

I don’t know what her salary was but it wasn’t much by any means considering what she paid in college tuition and graduate school it would take a long time to recoup that

If I were a teacher today I would be doing private tutoring , they can make good money my brother pays their tutor $100 an hr every week which I think is nuts

i have no clue what a teacher should make or pension etc but it’s a harder job than led on above
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Pay is tough to put a number on.

Retirement should be 100% private sector based, and not tied to a state pension.
Another "unseen" benefit, at least here in Alabama, is their healthcare plan. My sister is a second grade teacher and pays around $350-$400/month for family (herself, husband, and two children). The benefits are basically equivalent to a Gold plan on the Obamacare exchange. I'm self-employed and pay just north of $1400/month for my family plan (myself, wife, two kids) (BC/BS of Alabama Silver plan). I want to say I'd be close to $2k/month for the equivalent plan she has through her state plan. That's a $15-20k payraise right there that I think most folks don't think about when the topic of teacher pay comes up.
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Depends on the teacher and state , when my wife was teaching she put way more hrs than that. She stayed late doing lesson plans that had to be turned in and grading at home. They also have work days when kids have off

She also spent ALOT of her own money on teaching supplies

I don’t know what her salary was but it wasn’t much by any means considering what she paid in college tuition and graduate school it would take a long time to recoup that

If I were a teacher today I would be doing private tutoring , they can make good money my brother pays their tutor $100 an hr every week which I think is nuts

i have no clue what a teacher should make or pension etc but it’s a harder job than led on above
My point of view is from NJ which is one of the highest paying states for teachers. I have family that teach. I know a good deal about what they do.

They should not pay for supplies. I'm almost positive they don't in NJ. Also there are many jobs where staff needs to spend extra time at work or from home and do not get compensated.

South Jersey is lower than north jersey as far as pay but around here they start at around 50k and go up to slightly over 100k. With pension and really good benefits that they pay a percentage towards.


Years ago when Christy wanted them to pay some of the health insurance, i had a friend that said she was going to leave and teach in either south or north carolina. I laughed at her and told her to check out what they are getting. She never moved.
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Trick question.

The answer to the OP's question is met with another question.

Great Teachers or Shitty Teachers? I have now had both. Which one do you want to know about.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
Trick question.

The answer to the OP's question is met with another question.

Great Teachers or Shitty Teachers? I have now had both. Which one do you want to know about.
no trick question(s).

it's three simple questions.
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Originally Posted by chrisrack View Post
Supply and demand.
Yup
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Just get rid of those very political teacher unions and things will quickly settle out in all states.
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Way too many variables to answer this however I will comment based on my knowledge:

What should a teacher make a year where you live?

Public: Way less than what they are making.
Private: Way more than what they are making.

Where do you live?

NJ (home of overpaid public school teachers)

What should their pension / retirement be per year?

Should be defined contribution, not defined benefit. Employer match. This defined benefit nonsense is why my state is basically broke (among other factors).

My fiance' is a private school teacher for Pre-K through K in a school that charges handsomely for tuition. They provide a high quality education and really help a lot of kids with disabilities. Unfortunately, their pay is crap.

The whole system here is fubar'd. Public schools, which generally provide sub-par education, pay the teachers a small fortune.
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
reading is hard
When ridiculing someone for lack of reading ability, you should use proper grammar and punctuation.
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Originally Posted by r_ventura_23 View Post
When ridiculing someone for lack of reading ability, you should use proper grammar and punctuation.
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Originally Posted by grouperdawg View Post


Depends on the teacher and state , when my wife was teaching she put way more hrs than that. She stayed late doing lesson plans that had to be turned in and grading at home. They also have work days when kids have off

She also spent ALOT of her own money on teaching supplies

I don’t know what her salary was but it wasn’t much by any means considering what she paid in college tuition and graduate school it would take a long time to recoup that

If I were a teacher today I would be doing private tutoring , they can make good money my brother pays their tutor $100 an hr every week which I think is nuts

i have no clue what a teacher should make or pension etc but it’s a harder job than led on above

^^^^ is more accurate. My wife retired after 30 years in a classroom. Lots of her own money, lots of her own time, lots of meetings, lots of summer stuff required… It’s not as simple as three months off. And the crap they have to put up with from helicopter parents, politicians, minimal support staff, lacking supplies… You get the idea.

they have to really want to teach to put up with the shit show in today’s classroom. Bless most of them.
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It is on my profile page.
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Unless you've taught for a year, you have no dog in this hunt. I taught 7 years here in NC at the high school level. I wouldn't go back to it if you offered me $250,00.00 per year. That said, my wife is a teacher, currently getting her edu admin and makes just over $40K per year. She is a 4th grade teacher. She puts in a minimum of 2 hours every single night at home, MINIMUM !!!! She has spent 8 hours on a Saturday and Sunday doing school work. Every teacher at every school she has taught at wants their child in her room. As do the attorneys and every other highly educated person we know outside of school. How much would YOU pay her? How much is your child's education worth to you?

AGAIN, until you spend a year teaching, your opinion is worth nothing.
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I think they should take the best teacher of each subject and video conference it to all the classrooms in the district, county or maybe statewide. One teacher for each subject like Algebra 1. Start this in middle school. Put cameras in each room and a teachers aid could monitor the rooms.

This would work for all the real students. Put the bad seeds somewhere else.

The schools need to get with the times. You can get an MBA online these days.

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