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Old 06-04-2019, 05:42 AM
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Old 06-04-2019, 05:55 AM
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florida is 90 days use until it's required for full registration, and technically requires a sojourner registration and you must be a non resident.












I am pretty sure that is incorrect info for both resident and non-resident

generally speaking, i believe the default is within 30 days for resident and 10 days for non-residents

can vary by boat tonnage and other factors, read the PDF on their website

you cannot get the 90 day decal if the boat is purchased out of FL. so that does not apply especially since OP said he is a FL resident and boat is being purchased outside of FL.

and to use the boat at all in FL waters, i think it has to have a valid registration in another state or be documented, i.e. you can't use a completely unregistered boat at all, even for a day

also to use a boat in FL waters as a non-resident, i am pretty sure that you can't do the 90 days (with valid registration in another state or documented) until 6 months has passed since the purchase date (and that assumes boat purchased out of FL and never in FL during any time since purchase in those 6 months)

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Old 06-04-2019, 06:02 AM
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You can register boat in FL right away. No trailer tax if done right. Discount the motors and other stuff. 30 days to register boat just like most states..
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
I am pretty sure that is incorrect info for both resident and non-resident

generally speaking, i believe the default is within 30 days for resident and 10 days for non-residents

can vary by boat tonnage and other factors, read the PDF on their website

you cannot get the 90 day decal if the boat is purchased out of FL. so that does not apply especially since OP said he is a FL resident and boat is being purchased outside of FL.

and to use the boat at all in FL waters, i think it has to have a valid registration in another state or be documented, i.e. you can't use a completely unregistered boat at all, even for a day

also to use a boat in FL waters as a non-resident, i am pretty sure that you can't do the 90 days (with valid registration in another state or documented) until 6 months has passed since the purchase date (and that assumes boat purchased out of FL and never in FL during any time since purchase in those 6 months)
OP states he is a LA resident.
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post


OP states he is a LA resident.
no he states he has multiple residences including "Florida where I have a residence."
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:52 AM
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Hereís what I did to avoid sales tax.

Boat is a 40 Cabo express, bought it in Ft Lauderdale May 2016. Completed sale, had 10 days to move boat out of Fl. Signed form proving movement with evidence.

Documented boat in North Carolina. NC does not charge sales tax between sales of private individuals. Boat spends less than 180 days in NC to avoid personal property taxes. Move boat to Virginia for the rest of the year in a city that does not charge personal property taxes on boats.

Thats what hat I did, this was a documented vessel that I donít have to register with the state.
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
no he states he has multiple residences including "Florida where I have a residence."
Owning a home is not residency.

He states: I am a resident of Louisiana
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:59 AM
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Florida is full. There is a 3-year waiting list. Boat elsewhere.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post


Owning a home is not residency.

He states: I am a resident of Louisiana
yes, owning a home is residency. you can be a resident of multiple states if you own or rent in multiple states. not here to debate that. it is fact. primary residence / domicile means something else but none of the boat registration/tax laws contemplate it in that level of detail, its simply resident or non-resident.
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Originally Posted by pmichael View Post
Hereís what I did to avoid sales tax.

Boat is a 40 Cabo express, bought it in Ft Lauderdale May 2016. Completed sale, had 10 days to move boat out of Fl. Signed form proving movement with evidence.

Documented boat in North Carolina. NC does not charge sales tax between sales of private individuals. Boat spends less than 180 days in NC to avoid personal property taxes. Move boat to Virginia for the rest of the year in a city that does not charge personal property taxes on boats.

Thats what hat I did, this was a documented vessel that I donít have to register with the state.
there are definitely ways to avoid taxes (legally)!

i would just note to general readership that many states in fact do require registration/decal of documented vessels. NC is one. I dont know about VA off the top of my head. A good example is MA, they do not require registration/decal of documented vessels but DO require sales/use tax be paid. if you do your homework and are willing to be flexible, there are ways to avoid but problem is reading this thread, most posters have no clue what they are talking about and are spewing incorrect information
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
there are definitely ways to avoid taxes (legally)!

i would just note to general readership that many states in fact do require registration/decal of documented vessels. NC is one. I dont know about VA off the top of my head. A good example is MA, they do not require registration/decal of documented vessels but DO require sales/use tax be paid. if you do your homework and are willing to be flexible, there are ways to avoid but problem is reading this thread, most posters have no clue what they are talking about and are spewing incorrect information
Not real sure which posters your referring as to spewing incorrect information. But I can assure you that all my affairs are in order and I am completely complying with ALL laws I am required to. Might want to make that clear before you make that statement and quote my post.....

I was trying to share my experience hoping the OP might find it helpful.

PS- Documented vessels in VA are not required to be registered with the state, itís either one or the other, not both.

PSS - might want to do a little
more research. From the NC wildlife page-on what vessels DO NOT need to be registered
  • Vessels Documented with the U.S. Coast Guard do not need to be registered in North Carolina.

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Not real sure which posters your referring as to spewing incorrect information. But I can assure you that all my affairs are in order and I am completely complying with ALL laws I am required to. Might want to make that clear before you make that statement and quote my post.....

I was trying to share my experience hoping the OP might find it helpful.

PS- Documented vessels in VA are not required to be registered with the state, it’s either one or the other, not both.
I think I made it clear in my response that I did not know about VA off the top of my head and was making a general statement. You can see in a separate post above where I quoted several other folks and called them out specifically for not knowing what they are talking about. I dont doubt that you did your homework. I like people that do their homework. I dont like people that spew incorrect info such as several other posters in this thread.
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
I think I made it clear in my response that I did not know about VA off the top of my head and was making a general statement. You can see in a separate post above where I quoted several other folks and called them out specifically for not knowing what they are talking about. I dont doubt that you did your homework. I like people that do their homework. I dont like people that spew incorrect info such as several other posters in this thread.
A little more info for you from the NC wildlife page
  • Vessels Documented with the U.S. Coast Guard do not need to be registered in North Carolina.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:58 AM
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A little more info for you from the NC wildlife page
  • Vessels Documented with the U.S. Coast Guard do not need to be registered in North Carolina.
Important part: "US Coast Guard Documented Vessels operating in North Carolina for over 90 consecutive days must be registered."

So less than 90 days you are fine.
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
Important part: "US Coast Guard Documented Vessels operating in North Carolina for over 90 consecutive days must be registered."

So less than 90 days you are fine.
This where I got my info, look under What Vessels do not need Registration.

https://www.ncwildlife.org/Boating/R...vessel-titling
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This where I got my info, look under What Vessels do not need Registration.

https://www.ncwildlife.org/Boating/R...vessel-titling
I copied pasted right from: https://www.ncwildlife.org/Boating/Registration-Titling
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
I am pretty sure that is incorrect info for both resident and non-resident

generally speaking, i believe the default is within 30 days for resident and 10 days for non-residents

can vary by boat tonnage and other factors, read the PDF on their website

you cannot get the 90 day decal if the boat is purchased out of FL. so that does not apply especially since OP said he is a FL resident and boat is being purchased outside of FL.

and to use the boat at all in FL waters, i think it has to have a valid registration in another state or be documented, i.e. you can't use a completely unregistered boat at all, even for a day

also to use a boat in FL waters as a non-resident, i am pretty sure that you can't do the 90 days (with valid registration in another state or documented) until 6 months has passed since the purchase date (and that assumes boat purchased out of FL and never in FL during any time since purchase in those 6 months)
Just read this.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

"resident" in common parlance is where your home is, where your tax home is, and where your ID is from. OP states that is LA.
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Long story short: you need to consider the state in which the transaction is taking place and any state in which the boat will pass through or enter. Residency can be a factor in certain states, especially florida. I.e. some states have strict rules for residents if a boat even touches the state for a second within the first six months, you might owe tax. Some people are very careful about where the purchase is conducted, where they take delivery, and where they use the boat. Its possible to end up in a pickle and owe multiple states. Most states do reciprocate/recognize other state's for tax paid. It is very possible to have to register a boat in more than one state if you use the boat in multiple states / meet or exceed that state's registration requirements. Usually tax regs are in-line with registration regs but in some states they are not. Therefore its also possible to have to pay tax in more than one state (or difference if one state has a higher rate). Always do your homework! Start by reading each state's website then read their registration/tax regs. Its not complicated. I did it for a dozen different states that I was traveling through.
Is this what those Welcome Centers along the interstates are for? Iím not going to argue or even look it up but I think you ultimately pay sales tax only once or the additional difference in state registered.
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
Just read this.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

"resident" in common parlance is where your home is, where your tax home is, and where your ID is from. OP states that is LA.
i dont see what you copied and pasted at that link

please cite specific text

im sitting next to someone that has a home in the north east, a home in florida, he splits his time between the two, drivers license is NY, he pays tax to the state of NY and state of FL, he has a FL RESIDENT handgun permit. he is a resident of both FL and NY. what is a "tax home" ???
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
i dont see what you copied and pasted at that link

please cite specific text

im sitting next to someone that has a home in the north east, a home in florida, he splits his time between the two, drivers license is NY, he pays tax to the state of NY and state of FL, he has a FL RESIDENT handgun permit. he is a resident of both FL and NY. what is a "tax home" ???
These explain the answers to your above questions, but generally, tax home is where your income (working or retired) is taxed. Is he paying NY income tax? Did he homestead the FL house?
https://www.thebalance.com/how-to-be...cially-3505215
https://www.accountingweb.com/tax/in...e-for-retirees

Read the chapter for the statutes. It clearly defines the 90 day rule, titling & registration requirements in FL. I can't quote all of it
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