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Non political. 52 shot, 8 killed and 2 stabbed to death in Chicago this weekend

Old 06-03-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by captbone View Post
maybe its the big hat that scares them off?
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:10 PM
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Trying to follow the general train of thought in this thread....gun laws do zero to prevent criminals from getting guns....they don't care about the law, not even a little bit....it's a joke to them...recent events in Australia bear this out....don't think Cracker ever had any intention to " celebrate" the death or shooting of anyone....he's just trying to point out the obvious....restricting the rights of law abiding citizens will have no
effect on non-law abiding citizens....they laugh in your face.....
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:18 PM
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^^^^ well said slickster
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:19 PM
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?

My point is that if you have really strong laws against something here, and really weak laws against something there then the bad guys are going to go right over there and do the thing. I don't care if the "here" and "there" are different munis, cities, or states.
you're kidding me, right?
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Old 06-03-2019, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
you're kidding me, right?
sadly, he's not.
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Old 06-03-2019, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
Yeah, you're correct on that first point. I edited midstream and didn't correct myself - I was referring to the facts about violence I had referenced.

Cracker's point is that the tough gun control laws can't work. My point is that using Chicago as an example is a bad one - because there are so many cities and states that immediately surround it that have far less restrictive laws.

And it's not solely about obtaining a gun illegally. Illinois has a 72 hour waiting period to buy guns. Indiana has none. So it is much easier to legally buy a gun just a few miles outside of Chicago.
Seeing it's so easy to buy a firearm in the surrounding states...please explain why the murder rates in Indianapolis, Milwaukee or Grand Rapids are less than they are in Chicago.

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Old 06-03-2019, 04:08 PM
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Seeing it's so easy to buy a firearm in the surrounding states...please explain why the murder rates in Indianapolis, Milwaukee or Grand Rapids than they are in Chicago.
that’s just rude.
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Old 06-03-2019, 04:13 PM
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NYC claimed for years that their murder problem was Guns from Virginia.

Virginia is still here.

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Old 06-03-2019, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Marlin308 View Post
Chicago should pass a law outlawing murder by guns.

And NOW London is Suffering from "knife & acid" attacks..
(For comparison, if WE took ALL the 'Legal" Guns away" )..




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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
Yeah, you're correct on that first point. I edited midstream and didn't correct myself - I was referring to the facts about violence I had referenced.

Cracker's point is that the tough gun control laws can't work. My point is that using Chicago as an example is a bad one - because there are so many cities and states that immediately surround it that have far less restrictive laws.

And it's not solely about obtaining a gun illegally. Illinois has a 72 hour waiting period to buy guns. Indiana has none. So it is much easier to legally buy a gun just a few miles outside of Chicago.
So how far will a bad guy drive to get a gun? Maybe a new law against buying guns illegally.
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Old 06-03-2019, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
you're kidding me, right?
I thought we had pretty strong laws against murder, um, everywhere!

I think MattGoose would prefer to restrict the rights of the rest of us in hopes it will work. It won't.
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
Trying to follow the general train of thought in this thread....gun laws do zero to prevent criminals from getting guns....they don't care about the law, not even a little bit....it's a joke to them...recent events in Australia bear this out....don't think Cracker ever had any intention to " celebrate" the death or shooting of anyone....he's just trying to point out the obvious....restricting the rights of law abiding citizens will have no
effect on non-law abiding citizens....they laugh in your face.....
I think that restricting the rights of law abiding citizens DOES have AN effect on non-law abiding citizens (Criminals)...It emboldens them to commit more crime, especially home invasion crimes, strong arm robberies, assault with a deadly weapon...etc. etc. etc.

As many have said previously. Crime goes down when criminals are worried that a law abiding citizen might pull a gun and defend themselves.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:22 PM
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have not read the entire thread, but I am responding to the question/questions asking if there is any legal way for a felon from one state to buy a gun in another state and then adding some of my thoughts. The answer is No, and here is why. a convicted felon is not allowed to posses a gun. so even if he is a participant in a private sale - not from a dealer or FFL - simply by participating he is breaking the law. I have sold guns privately, and I would not sell to any person without a bill of sale and that contains an oath that they are legally able to possess a gun. In fact, I would not sell to someone without a CCW, even if a long gun. That was my choice, I do not have to sell the gun if I choose not to. I once sold an AR-15 to an Assistant States Attorney and he was impressed that I did this and had no issue giving me a copy of his D/L and CCW.

My take is this. making it harder to buy guns across the board will not do anything to keep the guns from the criminals, there are simply too many guns out there. And the really stupid laws crack me up, like NY stating you can have a 10 round magazine, but you can not put more than 7 (or 6 I don't recall) in the magazine. Who is that protecting? Does anyone really think a criminal, who is not supposed to have a gun in the first place, is going to stop and say "I better not fully load the magazine" or not use a higher capacity one that can be bought elsewhere, and if made illegal, can be 3D printed - not to mention the millions out there?

Enforce the laws on the books, we do not need new ones until at least that happens. If someone is apprehended with a gun and legally should not possess a gun, then 5 years mandatory - no parole, no plea bargain. that is for a 1st offense. do it again, make it 10 or 15 years. That same person uses the gun in the commission of a crime? 25 years - no parole, no plea bargain. Same person shoots the gun during the crime? Life, no parole, no plea bargain. Murder someone with it. death. if you are anti-capital punishment, then, life. They still get their due process under the law the penalties are after being convicted. and I am not talking about being convicted by a technicality, they have a gun and know that it is illegal for them to do so. Maybe that gang banger will think twice before carrying a gun.

The preceding paragraph will not do anything to stop most school shootings, or workplace shootings such as the one in VA, but it will stop most of the 10,000 handgun deaths (I am not talking about suicides, which are always added to gun death statistics.) that result from crimes. In Chicago, there was a case about a gang banger arrested with a gun (the arrest had nothing to do w/ the gun) and he had a rap sheet a mile along, but despite numerous felony convictions, never did serious time. He was released within a day or 2 and then committed a drive-by shooting less than a week later that resulted in the death of a 9 year old girl.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:35 PM
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Easy solution for all this.

The Feds have mandated “Real ID.” Let’s just mark on the real id whether each and every individual is eligible or not. Commit a crime and become ineligible, relinquish your id and get a new one that shows you ineligible.

Then scrap background checks, wait times, and the works. Make it mandatory that all sellers, dealers or private alike, verify status based on real ID, but do not make them keep records on who was on said real id (so they ownership can remain anonymous. Make it a felony punishable by a long jail term to not check it.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:45 PM
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Let me clarify some confusion

MOST ALL CAREER CRIMINALS DON'T BUY THEIR GUNS.....THEY STEAL THEM !!!
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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
Here are the details on private gun sales in Indiana: https://lawcenter.giffords.org/priva...es-in-indiana/

There's no requirement to run a background check or take records. There is no requirement to record the sale.

Hell, here's the NRA saying the same thing. https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/indiana/

Did you actually read the first link??? Even though a private seller doesn't (can't really) require a background check, the law provides that the state's handgun sales restrictions apply to both individuals and retailers.

Do you really think a gangbanger will be able to legally buy a handgun in Indiana or any other state? yeah, Dumb.

"Indiana has no law requiring a background check on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer.

Although a background check is not required, Indiana law expressly provides that the state’s handgun sales restrictions (i.e., the prohibited purchaser provisions) apply equally to an occasional sale, trade, or transfer between individual persons and to retail transactions between dealers and individual persons.1

In addition, a person may not sell, give, or in any other manner transfer the ownership or possession of a handgun or assault weapon to any person under age 18, except an individual acting within a parent-minor child or guardian-minor protected person relationship, or any other individual who is also acting in compliance with provisions relating to children and firearms.2

Indiana prohibits any person from selling, giving, or in any manner transferring the ownership or possession of a handgun to another individual the transferor has reasonable cause to believe:
  • Has been convicted of a felony or adjudicated a delinquent child for an act that would be a felony if committed by an adult, if the person seeking to obtain ownership or possession of the handgun is less than 23 years of age;
  • Is a drug abuser;
  • Is an alcohol abuser; or
  • Is mentally incompetent.3
A person is criminally liable for a Class D felony if he or she purchases a handgun with the intent to:
  • Resell or otherwise transfer the handgun to another person who the transferor knows or has reason to believe is ineligible for any reason to purchase or otherwise receive a handgun; or
  • Transport the handgun out of the state to be resold or otherwise provided to another person who the transferor knows is ineligible to purchase or otherwise receive a firearm.4"
I'm done with this thread and gooser
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Lets reduce drunk driving by revoking the licenses of sober drivers - Gun laws work the same exact way.
It really isnt any more complicated than that
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post

that’s just rude.
I've observed that logic and common sense often appear to be rude.

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It never ceases to amaze me the lengths some people will go to justify their silly fetishes.
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