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Non political. 52 shot, 8 killed and 2 stabbed to death in Chicago this weekend

Old 06-06-2019, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by xl883lo View Post
The gun makers are bailing on the unfriendly states. In addition to Kimber building their new engineering and manufacturing plant in Troy Alabama, Remington moved the production for Bushmaster, DPMS and Remington 1911s and two or three more autoloaders to Huntsville Alabama. Remington also built a new plant in Kentucky and all of their ammunition production was moved to Arkansas several years ago. Weatherby is moving from California to Wyoming. Beretta left Maryland to go to Tennessee. Ruger moved a bunch of manufacturing from Connecticut to North Carolina and Arizona. There are others but I can't remember them all.
Berreta moves their HQ and manufacturing to Gallatin, TN a couple years ago.

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Old 06-07-2019, 05:00 AM
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Berreta moves their HQ and manufacturing to Gallatin, TN a couple years ago.
And the Tomcat is now back in production and available.
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:17 AM
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I have a plan to absolutely ELIMINATE gun related fatalities . . . lets simply BAN guns like we have Heroin. Easy peasy . . .

Oh, wait, oops . . . CDC data reports that in 2017 there were about 16 THOUSAND heroin deaths . . . by definition each and every single one was the result of illegally obtained material.

You know Heroin . . which has been BANNED in the US for decades . . .

You can't cross the state line to buy legal heroin from a less regulated state
There are no "heroin shows" you can buy legal heroin
You can't use a friend as a "straw man" to buy you some legal heroin
You can't break into a house and steal their "legal" heroin
You can't knock over a CVS truck to get heroin
You can't get a shitty doctor to write you a prescription for heroin

There simply is no LEGAL vector for anyone to obtain, possess, use, heroin . . . so how can there possibly be so many heroin deaths as heroin possession is against the law???

So I will support a TOTAL GUN BAN when anyone can show me how it will get guns off the streets any better than laws have kept heroin off the streets.

I'm pretty sure my guns are safe . . .

The "war on guns" will just as effective as the "war on drugs" . . .
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
How do you figure that Mike?

This isn't complicated, not at all. Having really strict laws in one place is meaningless if there are no laws in the place right around the corner. Why would I risk breaking the law in a really strict state, like Illinois, when I can drive into Indiana and take advantage of much more relaxed gun control laws?

It's irrelevant whether you use the word state, muni or city in that sentence.
If you live in Illinois, you cannot purchase a handgun in Indiana.
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
So, I'm not sure about that. I'm wide open to being wrong on this, but where does it say that you have to be a citizen of Indiana to buy there? There's no requirement to be licensed as an owner, there's no requirement to pass a background check.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...e-law/indiana/
Go try to legally buy a handgun in an adjoining state and report back to us how it went for you..you are one stupid dude..
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RIDE2GETHER View Post
I have a plan to absolutely ELIMINATE gun related fatalities . . . lets simply BAN guns like we have Heroin. Easy peasy . . .

Oh, wait, oops . . . CDC data reports that in 2017 there were about 16 THOUSAND heroin deaths . . . by definition each and every single one was the result of illegally obtained material.

You know Heroin . . which has been BANNED in the US for decades . . .

You can't cross the state line to buy legal heroin from a less regulated state
There are no "heroin shows" you can buy legal heroin
You can't use a friend as a "straw man" to buy you some legal heroin
You can't break into a house and steal their "legal" heroin
You can't knock over a CVS truck to get heroin
You can't get a shitty doctor to write you a prescription for heroin

There simply is no LEGAL vector for anyone to obtain, possess, use, heroin . . . so how can there possibly be so many heroin deaths as heroin possession is against the law???

So I will support a TOTAL GUN BAN when anyone can show me how it will get guns off the streets any better than laws have kept heroin off the streets.

I'm pretty sure my guns are safe . . .

The "war on guns" will just as effective as the "war on drugs" . . .
that pretty much sums up the argument!
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RIDE2GETHER View Post
I have a plan to absolutely ELIMINATE gun related fatalities . . . lets simply BAN guns like we have Heroin. Easy peasy . . .

Oh, wait, oops . . . CDC data reports that in 2017 there were about 16 THOUSAND heroin deaths . . . by definition each and every single one was the result of illegally obtained material.

You know Heroin . . which has been BANNED in the US for decades . . .

You can't cross the state line to buy legal heroin from a less regulated state
There are no "heroin shows" you can buy legal heroin
You can't use a friend as a "straw man" to buy you some legal heroin
You can't break into a house and steal their "legal" heroin
You can't knock over a CVS truck to get heroin
You can't get a shitty doctor to write you a prescription for heroin

There simply is no LEGAL vector for anyone to obtain, possess, use, heroin . . . so how can there possibly be so many heroin deaths as heroin possession is against the law???

So I will support a TOTAL GUN BAN when anyone can show me how it will get guns off the streets any better than laws have kept heroin off the streets.

I'm pretty sure my guns are safe . . .

The "war on guns" will just as effective as the "war on drugs" . . .
But....but....but.....

we at least have to try. For the children.
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:15 AM
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So wait, which is it? Are you know trying to argue that criminals follow the law?

Help me understand better.

So is MattGoose arguing the fact that Chicago has one of the tougher gun laws in the Country? I believe that is a fact from everything i have read and heard. Is he arguing that shooting, murders, stabbing, and rapes are not extremely high in the city of Chicago? because i believe that is also a fact. Would that lead a "normal person" to suspect that gun laws do anything to deter gun violence? Well i think i am pretty normal and it doesn't sound like politely asking those heathens to stop shooting each other is working.

Take guns from the common citizens and the criminals run wild! That is what i take from it. Of course much of what is wrong with Chicago has to do with the majority of its population, and the way that they vote.

If you run wild in Florida there is a good chance you are going to catch a bullet from one of our nearly 2 million concealed carry permit holders.
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Everybody is still dancing around the real subject.
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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
Everybody is still dancing around the real subject.
Except you?
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:16 PM
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I think a goose has been cooked here.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:20 AM
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MattGoose………….Just for you. Maybe they are swimming across the channel because it's easier to buy knives in France.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...NMK2FzEyu0SW0M
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Originally Posted by xl883lo View Post
MattGoose………….Just for you. Maybe they are swimming across the channel because it's easier to buy knives in France.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...NMK2FzEyu0SW0M
What? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

This simply cannot be happening there. They are so much more evolved than us: They have reasonable gun laws there (you basically can't have one), people certainly cannot go walking around with a gun or knife in their pocket (well, law abiding people anyways), and defending yourself is not allowed (you are supposed to either run away or get on your knees and beg). It's an island for God sakes, how can these hooligans be getting hold of these awful, senseless instruments of death?
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:57 PM
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What? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

This simply cannot be happening there. They are so much more evolved than us: They have reasonable gun laws there (you basically can't have one), people certainly cannot go walking around with a gun or knife in their pocket (well, law abiding people anyways), and defending yourself is not allowed (you are supposed to either run away or get on your knees and beg). It's an island for God sakes, how can these hooligans be getting hold of these awful, senseless instruments of death?
4 times safer from a homicide in the UK at a country level. What sort of gun laws does NYC have?
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4 times safer from a homicide in the UK at a country level. What sort of gun laws does NYC have?
If you removed gang-related violence associated with the drug trade in our inner cities, our murder rate would actually be quite low. Our insatiable appetite for illegal drugs, breakdown of the family unit in inner cities, and appalling ineptitude of government to address these problems are the root causes of the violence-not the presence of guns. Even with gang related violence, the rates of violent crime have gone down over time, even though we are now allowed to carry (with a permit) and have some kind of castle doctorine-stand your ground in most states. England's rate is going up dramatically in their larger cities.

In NYC, it is difficult to legally own one and civilian carry permits are rarely issued.
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London is finding out just like Chicago and many other places around the United States that violent crime is a sociological problem it is not a "thing" problem.
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London is finding out just like Chicago and many other places around the United States that violent crime is a sociological problem it is not a "thing" problem.
Ding ding ding

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Originally Posted by MattGoose View Post
Can you please help me understand
This says it all.
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If you removed gang-related violence associated with the drug trade in our inner cities, our murder rate would actually be quite low. Our insatiable appetite for illegal drugs, breakdown of the family unit in inner cities, and appalling ineptitude of government to address these problems are the root causes of the violence-not the presence of guns. Even with gang related violence, the rates of violent crime have gone down over time, even though we are now allowed to carry (with a permit) and have some kind of castle doctorine-stand your ground in most states. England's rate is going up dramatically in their larger cities.

In NYC, it is difficult to legally own one and civilian carry permits are rarely issued.
Is it correct that NYC stands out among US major cities in terms of having a low homicide rate? If so, what are they doing different to most other US cities? Of the cities with over 1m inhabitants the lowest 3 homicide rates appear to be San Diego, San Jose, and NYC, so would hope for some ideas there. After NYC the homicide rate doubles to the next best big city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_crime_rate
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Is it correct that NYC stands out among US major cities in terms of having a low homicide rate? If so, what are they doing different to most other US cities? Of the cities with over 1m inhabitants the lowest 3 homicide rates appear to be San Diego, San Jose, and NYC, so would hope for some ideas there. After NYC the homicide rate doubles to the next best big city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_crime_rate
Not really. Some cities, like Chicago, Detroit, Miami, Cleveland are sprawling and incorporate large areas of extreme poverty. Some Cities, like San Diego and San Jose have a very high cost of living, very high salaries and little poverty in the city limits. NYC certainly has very high cost of living and high salaries. Violence is more or less confined to subsidized housing projects. Some areas adjacent to NYC, like Newark have severe problems are not included in the data for NYC. Another example of this is Oakland, which is adjacent to much more affluent areas..

From New Orleans (easy to get) to Newark (very restrictive), to Baltimore (in the middle) violence follows extreme poverty, regardless of any gun laws. .

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