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Old 06-01-2019, 04:05 PM
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Doc, thanks for the insight into the process.

Maybe the victim sues or, at least deposes, the doc who wrote the ESA permission slip.

I recently flew from ATL to Paris. Female passenger had an ESA that was a Great Dane. No way in hell she could have controlled it if it freaked.
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Old 06-01-2019, 04:19 PM
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I like the muzzle idea

Is it a policy thing with delta or is the law they have to accept esa dogs ?
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:53 PM
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All that needs to be done is for owners to "certify" on "permanent" vaccination records if the pet/dog is an ESA or Service Dog. I bet many of these people would hesitate making that statement on a official government document if it were not true. Then all they would have to do is provide those records for proof. Politicians could fix this right away but they won't......I have no clue why???
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:06 PM
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Hmmm...

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Old 06-02-2019, 01:45 AM
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Make these people buy a seat for their ESAs and this problem will be greatly reduced.
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:26 AM
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I fly with a dog all the time. She is a 9# Havanese, is in a carrier and rides under the seat. It is $125 each way. Could I get some bullshit certificate and save the money, sure. To my opinion if you have a support animal of any sort you pay or buy a seat for it. The animal is secured with a muzzle or other device. Same goes for kids......
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bayou Dularge View Post

Doc, thanks for the insight into the process.

Maybe the victim sues or, at least deposes, the doc who wrote the ESA permission slip.

I recently flew from ATL to Paris. Female passenger had an ESA that was a Great Dane. No way in hell she could have controlled it if it freaked.
The doctor will only say, "yep, his/her mental status could benefit from having an ESA"...the doctor isn't responsible for anything else. That is as far as they go in this process.
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Originally Posted by grouperdawg View Post
I like the muzzle idea

Is it a policy thing with delta or is the law they have to accept esa dogs ?
Delta. To my knowledge there is no law pertaining to ESAs...only service animals.

ESAs do not need to be trained in any way. The airlines accept this risk every time they allow one on a plane.
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cape_fisherman View Post
Delta. To my knowledge there is no law pertaining to ESAs...only service animals.

ESAs do not need to be trained in any way. The airlines accept this risk every time they allow one on a plane.
I don't believe "snowflake" or "ESA" are protected classes....
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Old 06-02-2019, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cape_fisherman View Post
The doctor will only say, "yep, his/her mental status could benefit from having an ESA"...the doctor isn't responsible for anything else. That is as far as they go in this process.
Ideally, yes. One would think anything beyond the emotional needs of the patient would be outside the realm of responsibility of the medical/mental health provider, but in our litigious society, the liability is too great (for me, anyway). Lots of providers making a lot of easy money writing ESA letters, though.
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by cape_fisherman View Post
Delta. To my knowledge there is no law pertaining to ESAs...only service animals.

ESAs do not need to be trained in any way. The airlines accept this risk every time they allow one on a plane.
You should try reading the laws on both ESA's and Service Animals. It ain't easy. Make a mistake, deny either-or, then face another lawsuit. It's not just a matter of accepting, it's a matter of making sense of the regulations with people abusing it at every turn. Even a simple question can get one in trouble. When this occurred nearly all airlines were attempting to do the best they could trying to accommodate as required. This event certainly got them busy clearly defining what they could and could not do. I would almost bet the current airline guidelines are being challenged in courts as we speak.

https://www.delta.com/us/en/accessib...ervice-animals
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Originally Posted by GulfC View Post
You should try reading the laws on both ESA's and Service Animals. It ain't easy. Make a mistake, deny either-or, then face another lawsuit. It's not just a matter of accepting, it's a matter of making sense of the regulations with people abusing it at every turn. Even a simple question can get one in trouble. When this occurred nearly all airlines were attempting to do the best they could trying to accommodate as required. This event certainly got them busy clearly defining what they could and could not do. I would almost bet the current airline guidelines are being challenged in courts as we speak.

https://www.delta.com/us/en/accessib...ervice-animals
Fortunately I know all I need to know about ESAs. They are not allowed in my business.

And I will never ask the wrong question concerning a Service Animal. There are only two I 'can' ask...I think I got it.
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:07 PM
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These people need a slap to the head not an animal. Get your shit together
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These people need a slap to the head not an animal. Get your shit together
Service dogs yes, emotional support NO. These people are pussies. Ridiculous.
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:53 PM
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Appears he stuck his nose work did not belong
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Old 06-06-2019, 04:44 PM
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I would of opened my can of peanuts and asked him , What the f%^k is your problem , and why do you need a dog assh9% ! If they dragged me off ,I would spill the nuts as they did. This ESA stuff has got to stop.
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Originally Posted by cape_fisherman View Post
Fortunately I know all I need to know about ESAs. They are not allowed in my business.

And I will never ask the wrong question concerning a Service Animal. There are only two I 'can' ask...I think I got it.
That's great for your business but not all have the same options.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...t-animals.html

Under federal law, airlines must allow people with disabilities to bring their assistance animals on planes. But there are extra requirements for emotional support and psychiatric service animals.
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Old 06-06-2019, 07:06 PM
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An "emotional-support dog" might be justified in this case if your predominant emotion is hate.
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Old 06-06-2019, 07:55 PM
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Just wait until they meet my emotional support rattlesnake
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GulfC View Post
That's great for your business but not all have the same options.
Which is why I referenced 'my' business. No ESAs...Service Animals only "IF" you can answer the two questions that I WILL ask you upon arrival.

I obviously do not work for an airline...nor do I share their desire to be politically correct in order to offend no one.
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