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Old 05-18-2019, 05:15 AM
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The best doctor usually limit new patients and you need to know someone to get you in. Had a scare with my daughter and had to see a pediatric cardiologist and the wait time was about 3-5 months, wife knew someone that got us in within a week.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
A few people here are stomping their feet about how great DOs are... yet... they haven't given a single material example as to why. You have to ask -- why do you think that is? LOL.

When I brought up the fact that DO medical programs are not as competitive as MD medical programs, they didn't counter with a single point to the contrary. (Which is clear.)

But... yeah... I guess if you yell that water isn't wet, someone might believe you. Get real. Do DOs have a purpose? I'm sure they do -- I'm just not interested. If that's a problem for *you* then then that's great... but nobody pushed you to post in the thread - much less contribute zero.
You understand that DOs learn everything an MD learns, on top of the muscle manipulation. They also don't "believe" anything different than an MD, they are trained the same as an MD but have additional training. They take the same courses and the one program I am intimately familiar with requires all be same tests as MDs. Hell the teachers there are largely MDs and not DOs... I wouldn't expect you to know that though.

As far as requirements to get in, don't know, never applied to MD and DO school, my resume wouldn't cut it. I do however know a LOT of people who have and can say the "dumbest" of the bunch are most likely light years smarter than the people on this thread putting them down.

I don't go to a DO, I have an MD, but it's obvious you based your opinion on a complete lack of knowledge of DOs verse MDs. You can have your opinion, it's wrong, but you can have it! My only guess is you are confusing a DO with a Holistic Doctor who is trying to "heal your mind and spirit" verse a DO.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
not sure what the deal is on this, but something sounds awful fishy! 600 pts? thats like 2 pt a day. that wouldn't cover over head for the first hour of the day! not sure how they are getting paid and making any kind of living! there is something going on on the back side of it. and the website really doesn't give much info other than what every other doctor has on their website

most likely they are docs that couldnt cut it on there own!
um, I donít know but 600 x $2000 is $1,200,000. And that is just the yearly fee.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:38 AM
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The problem is a growing shortage of doctors, not Obamacare. In South Florida, the shortage seems particularly acute and doctors appoints were difficult to get. Four years ago, I joined MDVIP for $2,000 a year, but now I can get in to see my doctor the same day if necessary. Regular appoints are scheduled for a couple of days after I call.
There is a shortage of Drís because they canít make any money any longer. Between out of control malpractice suits, insurance squeezing the ever living crap out of them an being forced to work for some mega medical outfit which does not allow them to practice medicine.

You can play the political blame game all you want, but health care is just organized crime at this point. It feels like if outlawed health insurance and everyone paid out of pocket costs would go down substantially. How much of every dollar actually goes to healthcare? I donít know the answer, but I bet itís really low.

I have whats suppose to be decent insurance, I donít even bother with trying to go to the Dr. Its so damn difficult itís not worth it. The new definition of preventive healthcare.
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I see two DO's. One is an orthopedist who specializes in arms, hands and joint replacement. He put the 90% torn tendon back together in elbow; multiple cortisone injection in different hand joints to put off surgery that have worked; helped with my plantar fasciitis; ordered cervical MRI. He has super personality too.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
LOL. I actually agree with the premise of what DOs believe (less meds, more "big picture") -- But I think it is more an easy-way-out for lesser quality doctors to squeeze through a medical program since the DO programs are far less competitive than traditional medical programs.

But if you think a DO is better that's great. Perhaps you go to an MD now and live by me. Then I can get your spot instead of waiting for a new patient appt.

I take back what I said about you maybe being an ass, you've confirmed that you are indeed an ass.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
A few people here are stomping their feet about how great DOs are... yet... they haven't given a single material example as to why. You have to ask -- why do you think that is? LOL.

When I brought up the fact that DO medical programs are not as competitive as MD medical programs, they didn't counter with a single point to the contrary. (Which is clear.)

But... yeah... I guess if you yell that water isn't wet, someone might believe you. Get real. Do DOs have a purpose? I'm sure they do -- I'm just not interested. If that's a problem for *you* then then that's great... but nobody pushed you to post in the thread - much less contribute zero.

Ok Old Pete, prove to all of us how my education, internship, residency, and fellowship training wasn't as rigorous or qualified as an MD's. By they while you're contemplating this keep in mind that all of my postgraduate training was in an allopathic institution and was also accredited by the American Osteopathic Association.

​​​​​​Actually you did push someone to post by exclaiming that a DO isn't a qualified physician. I'm beginning to think that perhaps you're just ignorant.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:46 AM
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Ok Old Pete, prove to all of us how my education, internship, residency, and fellowship training wasn't as rigorous or qualified as an MD's. By they while you're contemplating this keep in mind that all of my postgraduate training was in an allopathic institution and was also accredited by the American Osteopathic Association.

​​​​​​Actually you did push someone to post by exclaiming that a DO isn't a qualified physician. I'm bebegigoing to think that perhaps you're just ignorant.
Extremely ignorant... but that doesn't stop people from being the "authority" on things they know little about.
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Had to look up the difference myself, did not know. Sounds like a D.O takes more than an MD.

The simple answer is that both an MD (Doctor of Medicine) and a DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine) are doctors licensed to practice in the United States. They are similarly educated and certified, but there are differences in their training and philosophy of patient care.

​​​​​​https://www.everydayhealth.com/colum...w-do-i-choose/

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Guys guys remember the old term pissing up a rope? That is what you are doing here, nothing you can say, see will convince him that rather than you have to prove to him he has to prove to you especially since he made the original assertion. I had a big long reply all typed up this morning and just deleted it because at a certain point you have to remember that hitting yourself in the head with a hammer feels good when you stop.
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Originally Posted by Sprockets View Post
You could probably get in to see a PA quicker. Then you will be an existing patient, and more time slots will be open. Most doctors only reserve a small portion of their week for new patients, allowing existing patients to get in when they have a medical issue.
^^^^ this

While in Florida this past winter, I needed to see a doc. Nearest one to me was 6 weeks out. He had a Nurse Practioner on staff in another location that could see me in a week.. Older experienced lady. She was better then most regular docs that I've seen in the past. No b.s. and she cut right to the chase.
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Originally Posted by savedbygrace6868 View Post
OP, I tried to make an appt. with my doctor of 20 years
right after Obamacare began for my father in law. They told me sorry
we are not taking any new patients. Just last week I called a
podiatrist in my town and I was told they do take our insurance but
if I have Medicare through Blue Cross they would not accept me
as a new patient. Thank God we are not on Medicare yet.

Medicare through blue cross is a Medicare replacement plan. Its inexpensive but you get what you pay for. Traditional Medicare with a supplement, however, is excellent insurance. You should really research the difference before you become eligible at 65.




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Originally Posted by ychtcptn View Post
Had to look up the difference myself, did not know. Sounds like a D.O takes more than an MD.

The simple answer is that both an MD (Doctor of Medicine) and a DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine) are doctors licensed to practice in the United States. They are similarly educated and certified, but there are differences in their training and philosophy of patient care.

​​​​​​https://www.everydayhealth.com/colum...w-do-i-choose/

Damn, I got sucked into another "oldpete" thread!
Iím just glad you told us what the hell a ďDOĒ was...
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under stood but still not sure how you can bring in that kind of money with a limit of 600 patients! unless there is some other form of getting paid on the back side?
Each patient pays $2000 a year to belong in addition to paying for treatment.
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Originally Posted by rusbob View Post
Medicare through blue cross is a Medicare replacement plan. Its inexpensive but you get what you pay for. Traditional Medicare with a supplement, however, is excellent insurance. You should really research the difference before you become eligible at 65.
Medicare plus my United Health Care supplement is the very best insurance coverage I have ever had.
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This thread makes me giggle.

1) Let's look at the number or people that didn't get that $2k x 600 was good coin.
2) Let's look at the number of the docs that get the $2k and if they are MD v. DO -- you wonder why?
3) If you're a DO on THT, then I'll play the THT Realtor card. If you're a DO on THT -- then you're right. An MD is better. Feel better now, Francis?
4) If you want to pay a fortune to for medical insurance to go see a PA or whatever, great do it. I don't. Same for a DO. I don't want a DO. I understand their place, and I understand that in many cases they may have a different way of looking at that things. I support this, but that's not what I want for a PCP. What I want is a doctor who will do two things. Write me a referral without any bullshit. And give me my medical results. Lastly, look me over listen to any concerns I have and give me feedback. Maybe I'm different. I don't mind sitting in a waiting room for 2 hours if I know the doctor is going to sit with me and answer all my questions like he did with the last 4 people. If they are going to open the door and run out, I'm not interested. That is what I was looking for - and I believe that's what I found. If you want something different, that's great.

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Originally Posted by Saltydawg15 View Post
The best doctor usually limit new patients and you need to know someone to get you in. Had a scare with my daughter and had to see a pediatric cardiologist and the wait time was about 3-5 months, wife knew someone that got us in within a week.
Same here. My little girl needed ear surgery. We found the best guy and was able to shoe-horn in. It's a little easier with kids. When you're old enough but not old enough, you get shit on.

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You understand that DOs learn everything an MD learns, on top of the muscle manipulation. They also don't "believe" anything different than an MD, they are trained the same as an MD but have additional training. They take the same courses and the one program I am intimately familiar with requires all be same tests as MDs. Hell the teachers there are largely MDs and not DOs... I wouldn't expect you to know that though.

As far as requirements to get in, don't know, never applied to MD and DO school, my resume wouldn't cut it. I do however know a LOT of people who have and can say the "dumbest" of the bunch are most likely light years smarter than the people on this thread putting them down.

I don't go to a DO, I have an MD, but it's obvious you based your opinion on a complete lack of knowledge of DOs verse MDs. You can have your opinion, it's wrong, but you can have it! My only guess is you are confusing a DO with a Holistic Doctor who is trying to "heal your mind and spirit" verse a DO.
Read the bold part. That says it all. I want the guy doing the teaching - not the guy that got into the easy program. I'm really sorry that offends you.

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um, I donít know but 600 x $2000 is $1,200,000. And that is just the yearly fee.
And I'm arguing with people here.

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There is a shortage of Drís because they canít make any money any longer. Between out of control malpractice suits, insurance squeezing the ever living crap out of them an being forced to work for some mega medical outfit which does not allow them to practice medicine.

You can play the political blame game all you want, but health care is just organized crime at this point. It feels like if outlawed health insurance and everyone paid out of pocket costs would go down substantially. How much of every dollar actually goes to healthcare? I donít know the answer, but I bet itís really low.

I have whats suppose to be decent insurance, I donít even bother with trying to go to the Dr. Its so damn difficult itís not worth it. The new definition of preventive healthcare.
^^ 100%. HMO gatekeepers and the rest of it. They don't want you to go to the doctor!

Originally Posted by toristoy View Post
I see two DO's. One is an orthopedist who specializes in arms, hands and joint replacement. He put the 90% torn tendon back together in elbow; multiple cortisone injection in different hand joints to put off surgery that have worked; helped with my plantar fasciitis; ordered cervical MRI. He has super personality too.
Awesome. PM me his name, I'd love to see if he's on my plan.

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I take back what I said about you maybe being an ass, you've confirmed that you are indeed an ass.
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Ok Old Pete, prove to all of us how my education, internship, residency, and fellowship training wasn't as rigorous or qualified as an MD's. By they while you're contemplating this keep in mind that all of my postgraduate training was in an allopathic institution and was also accredited by the American Osteopathic Association.

​​​​​​Actually you did push someone to post by exclaiming that a DO isn't a qualified physician. I'm beginning to think that perhaps you're just ignorant.
There you go. You're a DO. See my previous comments. You're great. You're awesome. You're the best.

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Extremely ignorant... but that doesn't stop people from being the "authority" on things they know little about.
That said a lot.

Originally Posted by ychtcptn View Post
Had to look up the difference myself, did not know. Sounds like a D.O takes more than an MD.

The simple answer is that both an MD (Doctor of Medicine) and a DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine) are doctors licensed to practice in the United States. They are similarly educated and certified, but there are differences in their training and philosophy of patient care.

​​​​​​https://www.everydayhealth.com/colum...w-do-i-choose/

Damn, I got sucked into another "oldpete" thread!
LOL... I never said they didn't have to work hard to get a DO. My issue is that I want the best I can get... my experience is that when you go into a medical program and get on a track there is the MD track and the DO track. The people who can't get into the MD track go to the DO track. It's like getting your MD from University of Sertyhbvcdfrghnmjuhygtf.

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Guys guys remember the old term pissing up a rope? That is what you are doing here, nothing you can say, see will convince him that rather than you have to prove to him he has to prove to you especially since he made the original assertion. I had a big long reply all typed up this morning and just deleted it because at a certain point you have to remember that hitting yourself in the head with a hammer feels good when you stop.
Good for you!
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I'll add one more thing. How prolific were DOs before Obamacare and how prolific are they now. That's something to think about.
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There have always been plenty of DOs in Florida and I really don't notice any difference between them and MDs or even PAs in general practice. Specialists seem to have a little better grasp of their specialty but don't go there if you don't have "their" problem because they will treat it anyway.
As for the "600" thing, isn't that a limit on patients per concierge Dr? If you have a concierge, I bet you go there a lot so it is not 600 visits a year and they still bill your insurance in addition to your membership fee. It really just looks like a way to carry a lower patient count and make more money to me.
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I can get you a quick appointment with this doc, but you have to travel to Miami.



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There have always been plenty of DOs in Florida and I really don't notice any difference between them and MDs or even PAs in general practice. Specialists seem to have a little better grasp of their specialty but don't go there if you don't have "their" problem because they will treat it anyway.
As for the "600" thing, isn't that a limit on patients per concierge Dr? If you have a concierge, I bet you go there a lot so it is not 600 visits a year and they still bill your insurance in addition to your membership fee. It really just looks like a way to carry a lower patient count and make more money to me.
600 patients limit. I've been once this year, but many of their parents are in their 70s and 80s and I'm sure go more often that I do.
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