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Old 04-30-2019, 06:39 PM
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I got banned for using this word......I expect the same thing to happen here.
Im just curious. Are you telling the mods how to do their job? What if they dont band* him? Are you threatening them?
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:48 PM
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AA worked for me.
Same. 30 years earlier this month. Can't say I miss it anymore, but it took a while.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:54 PM
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As a drinker I honestly do not believe that alcohol is addictive. As a former smoker, I do know what addiction feels like. Food, alcohol, even biting your fingernails is habitual for many. Many habits are hard to change and many are creatures of habit. Make your mind up you will change and you can. Like a gun in a safe, a bottle in the cabinet is just another object. It does nothing without somebody picking it up. Just don’t pick it up today, then tomorrow, then maybe not until Saturday night. Then you might have a hold on it again. Maybe you give it up all together. You can do it if you want. Convince yourself of that.
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Uhh some folks have a hard time recognizing jokes.
Is that supposed to be funny? Asking for a friend
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:08 PM
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Alcohol can steal your life and ruin it....20 years in the ER...cirrhosis, spousal/family abuse, car wrecks, fights, fall injuries, bleed outs, wrecked families, wrecked careers, slow torturous death....if your have any history of alcoholism in your family....don't even start drinking...
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Here is a text from my youngest sister regarding my oldest sister. Alcohol and drugs suck
Hey brother. I'm messaging to let you know that I spoke with a nurse at the NICU at SRH.
Suzette was brought in on her birthday, 4/24. She was found on the ground in front of a store in Pascagoula. She was unresponsive, hypotensive, hypothermic, hypoglycemic. She is currently going through alcohol withdrawal and kidney failure, as well as liver failure. She failed a lasix challenge today and they are talking about dialysis. If you can take a few minutes and give me a call, I'd appreciate it. I have no intention telling Mama about this until she is well recovered from her heart cath.
A few years ago my crew of friends had a big ass tailgate for home football games. We usually had 40-50 people there in the hour or two before games so it got crowded and we had a shit-ton of booze everywhere. Well one time one of our crew observed some obviously underaged and not-with us kid grab a liter bottle of some ghey flavored vodka out of someone's bag and chug the whole thing. He got pushed out of there and told to F off immediately as we didn't want him around us when the booze caught up with him. He stumbles off into the crowd with his other dumbass friend and sure enough, about 20 minutes later an ambulance pulls up a little ways down the street. Someone goes to check it out and confirms it is him. We start worrying that it may somehow come back on us but eventually it blows over and we have a good time for the rest of the day.

The next day I get to rememberin that an ex-girlfriend is a nurse in the ICU at the only hospital in town so I text her a description of the dude. She said they usually get 15-20 alcohol poisonings but they did in fact receive him into the ICU and he was the worst she'd ever seen. He was fully intubated and on a breathing machine when he woke, wigged out and started ripping lines out before he was physically restrained. I don't know if they were just being dramatic but she said the blood work determined that he had done a lifetime worth of damage to his liver and advised him to never drink again.
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Old 05-01-2019, 05:28 AM
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Alcohol is a symptom.
The American medical assoc. recognizes alcoholism as a disease. For three reasons.
1. It is progressive. It ALWAYS gets worse'
2. It is inheriritable. If someone in your family has it...
3. It is fatal.
Haters gonna hate. Screw em !!! Ask them where they got THEIR medical degree from.
It's political.... and many,many Sociologist and Doctors know this. Read this excerpt from the link below:

"The disease concept originated in the 1800s with a fellow by the name of Dr. Benjamin Rush. He believed those who drank too much alcohol were diseased and used the idea to promote his prohibitionist political platform. He also believed that dishonesty, political dissension and being of African-American descent were diseases. The "disease concept" was used throughout the late 1800s and early 1900s by prohibitionists and those involved in the Temperance Movement to further their political agenda. Prior to c.1891, the term alcoholic, referring to someone who drank too much alcohol, did not exist. Before that, alcohol was freely consumed, but drunkenness was not tolerated. Many sociologists contribute its non-existence to the very stigma that the disease concept removes. Drunkenness was not so much seen as the cause of deviant behavior-in particular crime and violence- as it was construed as a sign that an individual was willing to engage in such behavior." (H.G. Levine, "The Good Creature of God and the Demon Rum," in Alcohol and Disinhibitition, eds. R. Room and G. Collins.) During this period of time social ties and family played a much more influential role in an individual's life. Therefore, deviant behaviors were undesirable and less likely to occur. It was not until industrialization began, when the importance of social and family ties diminished, that alcoholism became a problem. We now live in a society that encourages binge drinking as a social norm, but at the same time, we live in a society that discourages it".

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It's political.... and many,many Sociologist and Doctors know this. Read this excerpt from the link below:

"The disease concept originated in the 1800s with a fellow by the name of Dr. Benjamin Rush. He believed those who drank too much alcohol were diseased and used the idea to promote his prohibitionist political platform. He also believed that dishonesty, political dissension and being of African-American descent were diseases. The "disease concept" was used throughout the late 1800s and early 1900s by prohibitionists and those involved in the Temperance Movement to further their political agenda. Prior to c.1891, the term alcoholic, referring to someone who drank too much alcohol, did not exist. Before that, alcohol was freely consumed, but drunkenness was not tolerated. Many sociologists contribute its non-existence to the very stigma that the disease concept removes. Drunkenness was not so much seen as the cause of deviant behavior-in particular crime and violence- as it was construed as a sign that an individual was willing to engage in such behavior." (H.G. Levine, "The Good Creature of God and the Demon Rum," in Alcohol and Disinhibitition, eds. R. Room and G. Collins.) During this period of time social ties and family played a much more influential role in an individual's life. Therefore, deviant behaviors were undesirable and less likely to occur. It was not until industrialization began, when the importance of social and family ties diminished, that alcoholism became a problem. We now live in a society that encourages binge drinking as a social norm, but at the same time, we live in a society that discourages it".

https://www.baldwinresearch.com/alcoholism.cfm
Baldwin is a Scientology center, isn't it?

I believe some of the above is true, and that if the disease concept were presented to the AMA today, without precedent, it may be rejected. But the influence of social and family ties "diminishing" during the industrial revolution is likely nonsense and where this turns into a pitch. I'd love to see their support for that claim.
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
Obvious answer would be AA.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...nymous/386255/
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Good morning Debt, hope today is a good one for ya, a little tip that worked for me when I first sobered up, I had to change all the things I did that were booze related or I tied booze in with , except fishing and boating. The hardest being giving up going out to lunch every day @ work with the boys. But I knew I couldn't go out with them and not drink with them.
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I wish I had a solution for you. Get as much support as you can and don't be afraid to lean on them. Work at it. The alternative sucks. We lost our son 2 years ago as a result of liver failure due to alcoholism. He was only 34. Get help my friend and I wish you luck.
First and foremost I am sorry for your loss!!! How much was he drinking if I can ask, it's amazing I can see vagrants drink half a gallon a day and they seems to just be immune to it.
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Old 05-01-2019, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by joe.giuliano View Post
That's a pretty good article, and I just read it again a few days ago. There are some pretty significant issues with it.

First, any attempt to measure the efficacy of AA is doomed to fail. And that begins with the definition of "sober".
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Debt, You can stop if you WANT to. I stopped back in Oct of last year. Dr. told me I had slightly elevated Liver enzymes and ask me to stop for I think it was two weeks and then we would check again.
Make no mistake I loved my Sam Adams and all the seasonal ones too. I stopped Oct 14,2018 and have not touched one since. Never sought help or counseling or anything like that. Didn't need it.
I did the same with smoking. I threw them down Mothers day 1991 and haven't had one since. Ironic since I work for big tobacco lol.
FTR I have a place at the beach with a well stocked liquor cabinet , as well as my home. Lots of "good" liquor. Woodford Reserve, Elijah Craig, 1800 Tequila ….. Never touch it and DON'T WANT too.
All positives to quitting and no negatives
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Originally Posted by joe.giuliano View Post
A complete and total waste of space. Author is devoid of ANY knowledge on the subject and his reviews is bull crud from the first sentence to the last.

I always enjoy when someone who has ZERO knowledge of the 12 steps tries to pontificate on the subject. I take especially umbrage when they make false statements. Which he does repeatedly thru out his fake analysis. If he had ever even read the big book he'd know that AA never EVER says theirs is the only way.

Take that crud and use it as toilet paper. And ask all those scientists how would they treat someone who's been in 25 rehabs? People are spending billions on a simple path that's free for the taking.
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A complete and total waste of space. Author is devoid of ANY knowledge on the subject and his reviews is bull crud from the first sentence to the last.

I always enjoy when someone who has ZERO knowledge of the 12 steps tries to pontificate on the subject. I take especially umbrage when they make false statements. Which he does repeatedly thru out his fake analysis. If he had ever even read the big book he'd know that AA never EVER says theirs is the only way.

Take that crud and use it as toilet paper. And ask all those scientists how would they treat someone who's been in 25 rehabs? People are spending billions on a simple path that's free for the taking.
Hits nail on head! I am recovering thanks to the 12 steps.
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I always enjoy when someone who has ZERO knowledge of the 12 steps tries to pontificate on the subject. I take especially umbrage when they make false statements. Which he does repeatedly thru out his fake analysis. If he had ever even read the big book he'd know that AA never EVER says theirs is the only way.
Well, maybe not those words exactly, but:

"we believe there is no middle of the road solution"
"you may be suffering from a disease which only a spiritual experience will conquer"
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No my EXACT words. With emphasis.

There are plenty of other ways but our way does not provide for any middle grounds or half measures.
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I have a physical allergy to alcohol. Once I start drinking I lose the ability to control my drinking. I am a alcoholic. Total abstinence is all that works for me. But that being said there are many different types of drinkers not all are alcoholic. Heavy drinkers, problem drinkers. This is is described in the big book Alcoholics Anonymous. Recovery isn't for those who need it. Only those that desire it. Good luck!
I'm in the same boat as tint dude. Hats off to those that are alcoholic and can control their drinking, I sure can't.

OP I also sent you a PM with my phone number call anytime and I mean that.. Like you, I chewed, smoked the good stuff not cigs and drank (12pk a night), I do none now and my life couldn't be better.....
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AA makes want to get white girl wasted due to the depressed booze talk. Cannot stand it, bunch of whiney babies. I don't give into the powerless / not changing crap that you can't. Can change anything you put your mind too.

I would just not drink if you don't want to drink! Be strong. good luck
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AA makes want to get white girl wasted due to the depressed booze talk. Cannot stand it, bunch of whiney babies. I don't give into the powerless / not changing crap that you can't. Can change anything you put your mind too.

I would just not drink if you don't want to drink! Be strong. good luck
Yup, self will is the answer. Listen, almost every guy I meet with any substantial sober/clean time will tell you at one point in their recovery they "white knuckled" it. Guess what? Almost all of them went back out again. You may go 6 mos, you may go 2 years but eventually you will pick up. Some guys can "hold their breath" for quite a while but when they come back up shit gets ugly. And I can promise you that however bad your last bender was, the next will be worse. Been there, done that.
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