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Old 05-04-2019, 05:51 PM
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good read but also no answers. At least it seems honest.
Old 05-04-2019, 07:45 PM
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good read but also no answers. At least it seems honest.
I feel like the author lost me when she claimed that manufactured food from a big company is a better alternative then raw... So, overprocessed, essentially burnt food (dry kibble), regardless of manufacturer, is better? I haven't seen too many wild canines running around grazing on grain fields. The more I mean about these climbs, the more I question the validity...To each his own.
Old 05-04-2019, 08:02 PM
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good read but also no answers. At least it seems honest.
yeah. To me it concurs with a lot of others I have rad that basically have the same position. There isn't a clear answer as to the cause, but for some it may be DCM.

I'd be curious to see if there are other commonalities, perhaps such as medications like ingested flea prevention, or whatever.

Hoepfully they are are able to find something soon.
Old 05-05-2019, 09:54 AM
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Curious...can you elaborate?

I know they had 1 recall in 2016...but from what I can read, it's the only one they have had in 40+ years. I think that's a pretty good record.
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There are cases of DCM with feeding Fromm. I'm sure most mfr will have a recall here and there.


good read but also no answers. At least it seems honest.
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I feel like the author lost me when she claimed that manufactured food from a big company is a better alternative then raw... So, overprocessed, essentially burnt food (dry kibble), regardless of manufacturer, is better? I haven't seen too many wild canines running around grazing on grain fields. The more I mean about these climbs, the more I question the validity...To each his own.
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yeah. To me it concurs with a lot of others I have rad that basically have the same position. There isn't a clear answer as to the cause, but for some it may be DCM.

I'd be curious to see if there are other commonalities, perhaps such as medications like ingested flea prevention, or whatever.

Hoepfully they are are able to find something soon.
There is no clear answer, but Tufts has been on the forefront of this with UC Davis and others. This article really isn't from "another vet's view," but just a development in the continuing journey to figure out what is occurring here. The correlation between switching off the BEG foods and going to a more proven food and dogs starting to "get better" is, simply, too strong to ignore.
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Originally Posted by SlipperyPelican View Post
I feel like the author lost me when she claimed that manufactured food from a big company is a better alternative then raw... So, overprocessed, essentially burnt food (dry kibble), regardless of manufacturer, is better? I haven't seen too many wild canines running around grazing on grain fields. The more I mean about these climbs, the more I question the validity...To each his own.
When all this broke, I was much of the same mind that that you are. Both with respect to raw and boutique diets compared to Purina/Hill whatever.

But I've done a LOT of research into raw food and it's not as attractive as it initial sounds. First, the modern dog is about as far from a wild canine as you can get. They've been evolutionary distinct to an increasing degree for, literally, tens of thousands of years. They have massively different requirements at any given meal (3 squares a day v. eat when you can catch it). The biggest problem with a raw diet is that it's REALLY hard to get it right - it's not as simple as throwing some chicken to your dog. You need to have a properly balanced diet, and hitting all the macro/micro nutrients that a dog needs is hard. As best evidenced by the fact that some missing taurine appears to be killing a bunch of dogs (yes, I'm oversimplifying the DCM issue, but it does appear to be an issue with the amount of taurine, or something interfering with absorption, but the end result is the same).

I 100% poo-poo'd Purina when we got our dog - the cheap stuff from the grocery aisle? No thanks! But the reality is that Purina and Hill's are the only brands that that pursue a rigorous science/results based approach to dog food development. They have a PhD nutritionists on staff, they run the manufacturing facilities to ISO standards, and they run long term health studies on dogs that eat their food. None of the boutique brands - Fromm, Blue Origin, Taste of the Wild, Acana - dedicate those resources to developing and delivering a high quality dog food.

And all of those brands have dogs that have suffered a death caused by DCM.

I really thought raw was going to be best for my dog - but without spending a lot more money and lot more time, I wasn't going to be able to deliver a balanced diet to my dog.

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Look into kinetic.
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Fromm's, is IMO the best.
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Fromm's, is IMO the best.
There are confirmed cases of DCM associated with Fromm's Grain Free. That's what we fed our golden for the past couple of years, and we switched him over to Purina Pro Plan. He's been doing great.
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So if I understand correctly, basically everything is bad if you look into it hard enough? Raw diet, boutique, etc. I feel like there is no 100% good answer here. Too many variables, every dog is different, just like humans. Find out what works best for you, this dog food tin foil hat stuff is crazy.
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So if I understand correctly, basically everything is bad if you look into it hard enough? Raw diet, boutique, etc. I feel like there is no 100% good answer here. Too many variables, every dog is different, just like humans. Find out what works best for you, this dog food tin foil hat stuff is crazy.
To some degree, yeah, but there is more consensus than it might appear, even if at least some of it is reactionary to what's happening right now.

To some enormous degree, there's an entire generation of dog owners that messed with established wisdom and are kinda getting whacked right now - I fully admit to being one of them. I had 5 dogs growing up, three at once, and they all ate Purina from the grocery store at $9.99 a bag. And they all lived forever.

Then we got fancy - these boutique brand, exotic ingredient, grain free dog foods MUST be better than Purina, right? Apparently not.

Allllllllllll of this to say, most people in the greater dog community (at least those that are the ones talking about it) have reverted to food brands that
1. Have PhD/DVM nutritionists and on staff and meet established nutritional criteria; and
2. Have established quality control certification and own their own processing facilities; and
3. Conducts research on the food and the dogs eating and publish research in peer reviewed journals. - Purina and Royal Canin each have over 600 dogs enrolled annually in their studies.

Raw CAN be a great diet, but it's REALLY expensive to buy prepared and it's a giant pain to make at home.

I don't know, we're just trying to do what's best for our dog, which I think we can both agree on!
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One of the top rated (4.5 stars) is the cosco brand, its grain free, #1 ingredient is chicken, turkey, or salmon, depending which you buy, it's priced well too around $30 for 30-40 lbs bag. Its all i use, as my 100lb bulldogs stomache is susceptible to the grain filled foods. Here she is, she loves boat days!

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