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Old 04-24-2019, 07:48 PM
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LOL behind the curve. Heat treatments have nothing to do with fumigation. Two entirely different processes. Heat treatments are b.s.
LOL, you think we should believe you or the real experts. Get real. You lied about nobody doing it. One strike for you..
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LOL, you think we should believe you or the real experts. Get real. You lied about nobody doing it. One strike for you..
Wow Iím not looking for an argument dude just trying to be informative as the OP requested. Iím in the business. Not sure what your problem is. Iíll let you know that In most cases ďOrkin the expertsĒ subcontracts their fumigations to companyís like us. Out of 5,000 pest companies in Florida there are only 120 licensed Fumigators, meaning 98% of pest companies subcontract their fumigations to the 2%. Weíve probably done more than Orkin. But hey if you love Orkin more power to you.
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LOL, you think we should believe you or the real experts. Get real. You lied about nobody doing it. One strike for you..
what terminix is calling a heat treatment is totally different than turning the heater on in the home. Tent fumigation with vikane gas is the only way to get 100 percent kill. The heat treatment that they speak of is 100 percent bullshit.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:39 PM
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Terminix did exactly that one week ago for my mother's house after installing the tent for fumigation.. We asked about them turning on the heat and they said it was to "bake" them and kill them easier. Maybe you are behind the curve?
I wonder who actually fumigated your mother’s house? Especially since they sold their fumigation division 3 months ago.

A Florida boy who has been hospitalized since August and suffered brain damage after his home was fumigated was poisoned by pesticides, a state investigation concluded.
The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services said in a statement Thursday that 10-year-old Peyton McCaughey’s sickness was a "pesticide-related illness and injury." The boy’s Palm City home was fumigated on Aug. 14.
The report said Sunland Pest Control, which was subcontracted by Terminix, could not provide investigators with working gas meters when asked. The meters ensure that it is safe to reenter the home.ServiceMaster divesting Terminix fumigation business

By Kate CrawfordPublished: December 20, 2018 9:21 PM CTMemphis-based ServiceMaster Global Holdings is divesting part of its Terminix pest control business.
The residential and commercial services provider filed notice with the U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission Wednesday announcing the divestiture of its termite fumigation business, which primarily operates in California and Florida.







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Ok well you all are about 1/2 right. Iíve been in the biz in Fl for 34 years, have 120 Techs and weíve treated thousands of properties for drywoods, subs, & beetles, so Iíd say Iím the resident expert. We just finished fumigating 15 entire schools in Tampa and we just fumigated the New Smyrna Beach City Hall in the last 60 days.

#1 Your company should have given you a long list of instructions for both inside and outside and had you sign it as a memorandum of understanding. These lists will leave nothing to question including your car. (We like to have the vehicles outside so we donít have to air them and clear them as well)You should also be given a Vikane Document to sign as required by law, as well as your fumigation agreement. They should also supply you with all of the Nylofume bags you need. Plastic bags cannot be used, only nylofume bags supplied by your company. We did but nothing was mentioned about a car.
#2 Formoson Subterranean termites may require tenting. Formosons are known to create carton nests in the structure without returning to the soil. Any minor moisture obtained from a/c drip or sweating lines to a leak in a soffit will allow these super destructive termites to live without returning to the soil. For Formosons we tent and treat the soil. Normal subs do not require tents.

#3 Because the fumigant is odorless we are required by law to put in 1-2 pans of Clorpicirin (tear gas) to warn any intruders they are about to die. When your home is cleared it must have readings of less than 1ppm of Vikane or the clearing process must continue until that level is reached. Nobody keeps the heat on to bake the termites. Your company may want to run your air handler fan only to help disperse the fumigant, They will also bring portable fans.

#4 Chemicals are not crazy strong for subterranean termites. The best product currently on the market is Termidor. Compared to Chlordane which we used up until about 1987, itís not strong at all. The best thing about Termidor is that it not repellant, so termites carry it throughout the colony unwittingly, and because they groom one another and itís a slow killing product it has success at eliminating the colony.

#5 The fumigant leaves absolutely no residual. You will not have to wash dishes, linens or anything. Once the house is cleared the gas dissipates. To make you feel better, all of the rice, beans, vegetables and fruit are fumigated at the ports in the containers before they go to the store. Then you eat them.

#6 any food unopened and sealed in glass or cans can stay. Everything else should be bagged or removed. Any greenery underneath the tent will lose all leaves and may die. Heavy Watering of plants the day before will help with heir survival.

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Ok well you all are about 1/2 right. Iíve been in the biz in Fl for 34 years, have 120 Techs and weíve treated thousands of properties for drywoods, subs, & beetles, so Iíd say Iím the resident expert. We just finished fumigating 15 entire schools in Tampa and we just fumigated the New Smyrna Beach City Hall in the last 60 days.

#1 Your company should have given you a long list of instructions for both inside and outside and had you sign it as a memorandum of understanding. These lists will leave nothing to question including your car. (We like to have the vehicles outside so we donít have to air them and clear them as well)You should also be given a Vikane Document to sign as required by law, as well as your fumigation agreement. They should also supply you with all of the Nylofume bags you need. Plastic bags cannot be used, only nylofume bags supplied by your company.

#2 Formoson Subterranean termites may require tenting. Formosons are known to create carton nests in the structure without returning to the soil. Any minor moisture obtained from a/c drip or sweating lines to a leak in a soffit will allow these super destructive termites to live without returning to the soil. For Formosons we tent and treat the soil. Normal subs do not require tents.

#3 Because the fumigant is odorless we are required by law to put in 1-2 pans of Clorpicirin (tear gas) to warn any intruders they are about to die. When your home is cleared it must have readings of less than 1ppm of Vikane or the clearing process must continue until that level is reached. Nobody keeps the heat on to bake the termites. Your company may want to run your air handler fan only to help disperse the fumigant, They will also bring portable fans.

#4 Chemicals are not crazy strong for subterranean termites. The best product currently on the market is Termidor. Compared to Chlordane which we used up until about 1987, itís not strong at all. The best thing about Termidor is that it not repellant, so termites carry it throughout the colony unwittingly, and because they groom one another and itís a slow killing product it has success at eliminating the colony.

#5 The fumigant leaves absolutely no residual. You will not have to wash dishes, linens or anything. Once the house is cleared the gas dissipates. To make you feel better, all of the rice, beans, vegetables and fruit are fumigated at the ports in the containers before they go to the store. Then you eat them.

#6 any food unopened and sealed in glass or cans can stay. Everything else should be bagged or removed. Any greenery underneath the tent will lose all leaves and may die. Heavy Watering of plants the day before will help with heir survival.

ask away if you have any questions. Www.apexpest.com
bam! there you have it!
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what terminix is calling a heat treatment is totally different than turning the heater on in the home. Tent fumigation with vikane gas is the only way to get 100 percent kill. The heat treatment that they speak of is 100 percent bullshit.
agrreed! only way to know you have 100% kill is to gas them. thats the only way to know the poison is getting into the infested areas which is behind sheet rock and wood!
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:56 AM
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LOL, you think we should believe you or the real experts. Get real. You lied about nobody doing it. One strike for you..
Not sure if you're just trolling. Terminix is pretty much known as being quite the opposite of "experts". They attempt to oversell customers on things they don't need, skimp on applications, etc. No way I would hold up something some random Terminix guy said as being "cutting edge" processes. Sounds more like they operate on witchcraft and rumors.
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agrreed! only way to know you have 100% kill is to gas them. thats the only way to know the poison is getting into the infested areas which is behind sheet rock and wood!
For heat treatments to be effective the inside of 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 and 4x4 wood structure if there are any, have to maintain an interior heat of 125-140 degrees for 4-5 hours. Wood is an insulator and its difficult to reach those inside temperatures. Heat treaters set up propane gas furnaces to blast the heat inside your home. What is going to be damaged in your home in the process when you broil your house for 5 hours? Electronics, art, food, textiles, etc.

A fumigant gas molecule is 1/1000 the size of a wood molecule. Hence the gas naturally permeates wood members and especially termite exit holes and galleries. It is the accepted method worldwide to treat for drywood termites and has been used for nearly 100 years. Any other methods that are attempted including heat, freezing, electroshock, painting wood with borate (Terminix loves to up-charge for that one) are all b.s. and it's well known in the industry.

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Is Methyl Bromide still used, or is Sulfuryl Floride the only gas being used?
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I think the heating up is probably a rumor borrowed from the food industry, which often do heat-ups. They will shut down the plant, such as General Mills, close everything up and heat the building up to I think about 110f for 48 hours. Kills everything with no chemicals. Never heard of that method used in a home.
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Are preventative treatments with Termidor, applied DIY, considered as effective as a treatment provided by say Orkin?
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For heat treatments to be effective the inside of 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 and 4x4 wood structure if there are any, have to maintain an interior heat of 125-140 degrees for 4-5 hours. Wood is an insulator and its difficult to reach those inside temperatures. Heat treaters set up propane gas furnaces to blast the heat inside your home. What is going to be damaged in your home in the process when you broil your house for 5 hours? Electronics, art, food, textiles, etc.

A fumigant gas molecule is 1/1000 the size of a wood molecule. Hence the gas naturally permeates wood members and especially termite exit holes and galleries. It is the accepted method worldwide to treat for drywood termites and has been used for nearly 100 years. Any other methods that are attempted including heat, freezing, electroshock, painting wood with borate (Terminix loves to up-charge for that one) are all b.s. and it's well known in the industry.

I guess GaryDoug is more of an expert because he has a Google button.
i agree! gary lost all credibility when he referred to terminex as the pro's!

have done my fair share of fumigation and pest control, there are alot of companies out there that will 1) up sale with BS 2) not treat properly ex. diluting it down 3) just flat out do not understand what they are doing!
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I was tented last fall. Yes cars out of garage. Pm if you have questions you want answered lol
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Is Methyl Bromide still used, or is Sulfuryl Floride the only gas being used?
For structure fumigations only Sulfuryl Floride. For Commodities Methyl Bromide.
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yes, you treat the ground for subterranean but once they are already in the house, you have to tent the house to kill whats inside otherwise you will accomplish nothing! so in this case you have to treat the ground as well as tent the house if you want to do it right!
I can assure that tenting will not always kill subterranean tremites. I did a house in Savannah, it was tented. Went in a couple days later, first piece of wood I cut out was full of live subterraneans.
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Are preventative treatments with Termidor, applied DIY, considered as effective as a treatment provided by say Orkin?
Sure, as long as you apply a consistent chemical barrier, say in a trench that you've dug. If you have any concrete abutting your house such as sidewalks, patios or pool decks, those would need to be down drilled every 18" and the chemical applied with a pressurized injection rod. If no drilling is required you could certainly keep filling 5 gallon pails with Termidor and filling a trench, but that's not really a recommended method. It's doable but most homeowners don't have the proper equipment or the willpower to mess with it. Not to mention, when a pro does it you get a warranty.
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So Pete, are the termite sticks and foggers in small cans effective?
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So Pete, are the termite sticks and foggers in small cans effective?
With termite sticks or "baiting systems" with the most famous being Sentricon (we used to be the largest Sentricon dealer in Florida until we changed all customers to Termidor) you are basically fishing for termites, hoping some hit your stick or bait. Even if they do, that means there is a colony near your home, but not necessarily effecting your home. It would be scammy for a company to tell you because a bait station was hit, you have termites. The bait can work but they promise "colony elimination" which is a falsehood. So to answer, they work somewhat, but not as well as a chemical barrier. When we switched to Termidor our claims and re-treats went down dramatically.

Foggers are a total waste of money and I believe there is a class action law suit against one of the largest sellers of can foggers on the shelves of hardware stores. If you read the can the active ingredient is something like .01% and the rest is aerosol and smelly byproducts. If you want to DIY you're better off going to an online store and buying professional spray products (just read the label and don't over apply.) We used to have an online store but got too busy to deal with it. They sell the real deal, same as we use.
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Interesting..thanks. I may have drywoods in my attic..a piece of pressed wood structural beam. My whole house is framed with pressure treated, so i'm not concerned about anything except the attic. BTw, I've gotta walk up attic which is fully accessible.
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