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Old 04-19-2019, 08:24 AM
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I've got 3 4G phones with Verizon using Straight Talk. Am I going to have to buy new phones? Won't 4G bandwidth open up with everyone going to 5G?
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They are still selling plenty of 4G phones, including a lot of the higher end models. You should be good to go for the foreseeable future, at least for the life of your current phones.

How have you found coverage to be with Straight talk?
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5g is a very short range. The hardware and technology exist but they need a huge infrastructure upgrade for it to become the primary network used. This is why you see a lot of the companies offering "Home 5g" deals for fairly cheap. It helps them grow the network.
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Up until recently, most phones still supported 1X networks. Now that it's finally being retired, you need to move up to a 3G or 4G phone.

When 5G goes live, 4G does't go away. 3G is still around!

The conversion will take years, so it isn't worth worrying about. Also, the 5G rollout will take a couple of years - it won't be all at once.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
They are still selling plenty of 4G phones, including a lot of the higher end models. You should be good to go for the foreseeable future, at least for the life of your current phones.

How have you found coverage to be with Straight talk?
I believe they use Verizons network.
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Originally Posted by jobowker View Post
Up until recently, most phones still supported 1X networks. Now that it's finally being retired, you need to move up to a 3G or 4G phone.

When 5G goes live, 4G does't go away. 3G is still around!

The conversion will take years, so it isn't worth worrying about. Also, the 5G rollout will take a couple of years - it won't be all at once.
3G is definitely still around and works well. When we go to Clemson home football games the 4G network is overwhelmed. Switch off 4G and it works perfectly all day long on 3G. As long as the phone can see 4G it tries to use it (At least my iphone does), but forcing it onto 3G insures uninterrupted service all day long.
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To answer your question directly = NO,
next question...?
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
They are still selling plenty of 4G phones, including a lot of the higher end models. You should be good to go for the foreseeable future, at least for the life of your current phones.

How have you found coverage to be with Straight talk?
Straight Talk is tracfone that uses the Verizon network. I use Total wireless that is also tracfone on the Verizon network. I have traveled all over the US and the coverage is the same as a standard Verizon phone with the exception of Alaska. In Alaska we did the inside passage and had data at most ports but no voice service because tracfone service won't roam off the Verizon home network.

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3G is definitely still around and works well. When we go to Clemson home football games the 4G network is overwhelmed. Switch off 4G and it works perfectly all day long on 3G. As long as the phone can see 4G it tries to use it (At least my iphone does), but forcing it onto 3G insures uninterrupted service all day long.
Belongs in the humblebrag thread.

(Yeah yeah we know you have your fancy national championship rings and your fancy rock at the top of your fancy sold out stadium and it overwhelms your network)

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Like said above 5g is very localized. Until it is deployed large scale(2025ish) the backbone of wireless communication will still be 4g. My understanding is that new phones will be required to fully capitalize on the speeds 5g will be capable of. A DAS or, distributed antenna system is the future for giving all 80k people at a Clemson game the ability to post to their Instagram stories at the same time. There are firms that are paying for the rights to build networks in stadiums, large office buildings etc.
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Everybody and I mean every single purveyor is salivating at the thought of selling you a 5G phone. Of course your 4G will work on 5G....and at a faster pace than 4G network. Just not as fast.

Question is when will they really roll it out. Many say not before 2022, and even than not 50%
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Like said above 5g is very localized. Until it is deployed large scale(2025ish) the backbone of wireless communication will still be 4g. My understanding is that new phones will be required to fully capitalize on the speeds 5g will be capable of. A DAS or, distributed antenna system is the future for giving all 80k people at a Clemson game the ability to post to their Instagram stories at the same time. There are firms that are paying for the rights to build networks in stadiums, large office buildings etc.
81,500 actually, though we have managed to stuff a bit over 85K in there on quite a few occasions. Not to mention the crowd at least half that size that watches from the parking lots.
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Everybody and I mean every single purveyor is salivating at the thought of selling you a 5G phone. Of course your 4G will work on 5G....and at a faster pace than 4G network. Just not as fast.

Question is when will they really roll it out. Many say not before 2022, and even than not 50%
I have heard that the major manufacturers will not roll until late 2021. Nothing to worry about 4g for at least 10 years, probably more.

The President has called for the US to be competitive and to roll out it quickly.

You will have more problems with the software's planned obsolescence. The more junk they put on the phones, the harder it is for older models to run the OS.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
They are still selling plenty of 4G phones, including a lot of the higher end models. You should be good to go for the foreseeable future, at least for the life of your current phones.

How have you found coverage to be with Straight talk?
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I believe they use Verizons network.
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Straight Talk is tracfone that uses the Verizon network. I use Total wireless that is also tracfone on the Verizon network. I have traveled all over the US and the coverage is the same as a standard Verizon phone with the exception of Alaska. In Alaska we did the inside passage and had data at most ports but no voice service because tracfone service won't roam off the Verizon home network.
ST uses both GSM and CDMA networks, AT&T and Verizon. What you use depends on the phone capabilities and type of SIM you purchase.

I have been with them for years and have had great coverage all over the US using the CDMA (Verizon) side. No experience with their GSM (AT&T) side.
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81,500 actually, though we have managed to stuff a bit over 85K in there on quite a few occasions. Not to mention the crowd at least half that size that watches from the parking lots.
Is that a high school team?? I thought all real schools could sit over 100k?

If you guys are worried about the 3G/4G/5G thing, wait till you catch wind of the ATSC3.0. That's the new standard for broadcast television, which is -NOT- backwards-compatible with the current ATSC standard that all broadcasters use. That means any TV picking up their coverage direct from the stations needs to be ATSC3.0 capable or it will not work. They're rolling it out next year and all stations will likely be converted within 5 years.

If you're on cable or satellite though, then you're probably saved for a bit as those places will make the conversion.
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81,500 actually, though we have managed to stuff a bit over 85K in there on quite a few occasions. Not to mention the crowd at least half that size that watches from the parking lots.
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That's ok...the 45k at State games crashes our network as well. Actually, it's more like this:

1st quarter: 20k (no one bothers to watch kickoff)
2nd quarter: 45k (this is when everyone finally makes it in...and it's never a sellout)
3rd quarter: 12k (halftime pass-outs means...no one returns for the second half)
4th quarter: 10k...or, if we're losing to ECU, 2k.

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I've got 3 4G phones with Verizon using Straight Talk. Am I going to have to buy new phones? Won't 4G bandwidth open up with everyone going to 5G?
The price of new phones are starting to live up to the name is all i know.
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That's ok...the 45k at State games crashes our network as well. Actually, it's more like this:

1st quarter: 20k (no one bothers to watch kickoff)
2nd quarter: 45k (this is when everyone finally makes it in...and it's never a sellout)
3rd quarter: 12k (halftime pass-outs means...no one returns for the second half)
4th quarter: 10k...or, if we're losing to ECU, 2k.
the thing that makes Clemson’s Stadium size notable is its size compared to our student body, historically speaking. Granted that’s grown significantly in the past 10 years, but we have not traditionally been a large school. When I was in school from 2000 - 2004, undergrad was ~ 10,000. At that same time USC was well over 20k in Columbia alone.

PS: we use our halftime passes to go refill our flasks or recharge our mini-bottle supply. And of course eat fried chicken.
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Don't worry about it. Not to be up and fully functional until who knows when. Most people won’t be able to access them since they’ll only be available in a small number of markets
Your's will work until 5g is fully functional then there won't be any 4g networks
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ST uses both GSM and CDMA networks, AT&T and Verizon. What you use depends on the phone capabilities and type of SIM you purchase.

I have been with them for years and have had great coverage all over the US using the CDMA (Verizon) side. No experience with their GSM (AT&T) side.
great info. Considering moving my wife’s phone to straight talk, and mine to the company account. Coverage has been my main concern. Pricing isn’t even comparable if coverage is similar. Her phone is an unlocked iPhone that will run on either system, but would likely be on CDMA since we know Verizon works well in the few rural areas we go.
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