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Old 04-18-2019, 05:17 AM
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just heard on the radio this morning on the way to work, the task force shutting down pill mills just busted 30 providers running a pill mill. it included several doctors, pharmacist, nurse practitioners, and physicians assistants. I did not catch where it took place! any one hear anything on this?

any way about time the actually addressed the problem instead of adding some lame as law that only effects those that really need it!
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Until the demand is addressed the people affected by these places being shut down will just turn to heroin. Been there, done that..... then saved by AA and spiritual health.
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And then you have the opposite end of the spectrum. There are people who really need pain meds and are now being denied them because of idiots who can't control themselves! The VA is now taking pain meds away from people who truly need them. It's a shame that some people will be left to suffer because of the addicts.
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Until the demand is addressed the people affected by these places being shut down will just turn to heroin. Been there, done that..... then saved by AA and spiritual health.
that is very true! at least its a step in the right direction of addressing the problem vs slapping a useless band-aid on it!
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And then you have the opposite end of the spectrum. There are people who really need pain meds and are now being denied them because of idiots who can't control themselves! The VA is now taking pain meds away from people who truly need them. It's a shame that some people will be left to suffer because of the addicts.
that is exactly why they need to go after the providers that are over prescribing! and not slap a useless band-aid on the situation!
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IMO...this whole "pain pill epidemic" is a fake news story. It all started because some Mothers started crying because thier "little Johnny" stole thier drugs and then became an addict with some examples of death. These same Mothers were then paraded in front of the TV cameras crying how thier son was a perfect kid who never would have turned into an addict except for the evil pill manufacturers. IOW...they needed an excuse because thier "little Johnny" wanted to get high and paid the consequence.

But the real reason for this manufactured news story is that the Gov't can find a way to get thier greedy hands on some of the Pharma's money. They hit pill manufacturers. pharmacies, etc.. with lawsuits asking for billions of dollars...all the while sullying thier reputation.

Also...the media is lumping street drug overdoses of heroin and fentanyl with prescribed pain medication.The true facts are studies show that only 6 percent of patients prescribed pain medicine turn into addicts. This fake epidemic has caused millions of elderly people extreme duress because they now are having a nearly impossible time getting access to any pain medication which would allow them a quality of life. THAT is the real news story. READ THIS!!!!
https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article...t-get-addicted

You want a REAL epidemic story? It's alcohol. Alcohol related deaths are rising at an alarming rate and easily outnumber pain pill deaths. But there is no way our Gov't leaders, news media, etc... will even touch this because hell....most of them are drunks. Read this
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/1593347002/

The bottom line is that an Opiate is the only medicine that reliefs chronic pain effectively. Always has and always will. Since the beginning of time the poppy plant has been used for pain relief and not until the mid 20th century have we decided to outlaw the use. Of course this is because of our propensity to drift toward socialism where we as a society burden the financial responsibility of EVERYONE and assume the care of those people who abuse substances. As a result we now feel the need to have the Gov't step in which of course is a major clusterf%^k and is only hurting those who really need the medication.
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I know Florida used to be the "Pill Mill Capital" of the country, I remember seeing 10+ people lined up in front of these places first thing in the morning. People sleeping in their cars outside waiting for them to open so they could get their "meds", people also drove/flew down from the Appalachians to pick up meds & take back home because it was easier to get prescriptions in Florida. I really thought law enforcement cracked down and closed up all of these places years ago, it is disappointing to hear this is still going on, I lost a cousin to it last year.
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Yea. Great. More hysteria. And now I have to schedule even more frequent "doctor visits" before my insurance company will refill my blood pressure med 'script. Big threat there. Lots of kids these days are getting high on irbesartan.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:26 AM
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Shocking this is still happening. In NJ they cleaned house. Threw a ton of docs in jail. Now the health insurance companies will only fill a 5 day script, no phone refills.

NJ was very bad with it.
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
just heard on the radio this morning on the way to work, the task force shutting down pill mills just busted 30 providers running a pill mill. it included several doctors, pharmacist, nurse practitioners, and physicians assistants. I did not catch where it took place! any one hear anything on this?

any way about time the actually addressed the problem instead of adding some lame as law that only effects those that really need it!
I read an article yesterday and it indicated several southern states. I think I remember seeing Kentucky, Alabama, Virginia on the list. I think there were about 13 states. The article I read said that a dentist even pulled a tooth that didn't need pulling so that he could prescribe pain killers.


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I am in a pain clinic right now. I had to sign my life away just for an evaluation. I am aiming for a cortisone injection not an opiate. All they ever gave me was oxycodone which is worthless
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I am in a pain clinic right now. I had to sign my life away just for an evaluation. I am aiming for a cortisone injection not an opiate. All they ever gave me was oxycodone which is worthless
Not exactly.... 30mg Roxy's bring from $30-40 each. Take your average person on social security or disability and the common scrip amount of 120-180 pills per month and now grandma is bringing in an extra $3600-$5400 a month. That motivates many people to do things they would otherwise never do.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
IMO...this whole "pain pill epidemic" is a fake news story. It all started because some Mothers started crying because thier "little Johnny" stole thier drugs and then became an addict with some examples of death. These same Mothers were then paraded in front of the TV cameras crying how thier son was a perfect kid who never would have turned into an addict except for the evil pill manufacturers. IOW...they needed an excuse because thier "little Johnny" wanted to get high and paid the consequence.

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I'm curious. Do you think that Sandy Hook was a false flag operation too?

As to your premise that it is fake news. My nephew's other grandfather had a back operation and got hooked on pain pills when he was in his 60's. He never shook the addiction and died as a result after making some seriously stupid decisions in an effort to get pain pills. My 70 year old neighbor has some type of neuropathy that started after a local surgeon messed up on surgery that he had. He can hardly sleep because of the pain in his legs and can't stand still either. He got hooked on pain pills and apparently has a little drug operation going on to finance his addiction.

It is one thing if it is a 16 year old kid getting addicted because he's trying them for recreational purposes. But there are too many stories of people who had no addiction problem until they had surgery late in life and then suddenly became addicted. You may believe it is fake news, but my nephew who still misses going fishing and hunting with his grandfather will tell you that it is real.
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The opiod epidemic was manufactured by the Sackler family.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
IMO...this whole "pain pill epidemic" is a fake news story. It all started because some Mothers started crying because thier "little Johnny" stole thier drugs and then became an addict with some examples of death. These same Mothers were then paraded in front of the TV cameras crying how thier son was a perfect kid who never would have turned into an addict except for the evil pill manufacturers. IOW...they needed an excuse because thier "little Johnny" wanted to get high and paid the consequence.

But the real reason for this manufactured news story is that the Gov't can find a way to get thier greedy hands on some of the Pharma's money. They hit pill manufacturers. pharmacies, etc.. with lawsuits asking for billions of dollars...all the while sullying thier reputation.

Also...the media is lumping street drug overdoses of heroin and fentanyl with prescribed pain medication.The true facts are studies show that only 6 percent of patients prescribed pain medicine turn into addicts. This fake epidemic has caused millions of elderly people extreme duress because they now are having a nearly impossible time getting access to any pain medication which would allow them a quality of life. THAT is the real news story. READ THIS!!!!
https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article...t-get-addicted

You want a REAL epidemic story? It's alcohol. Alcohol related deaths are rising at an alarming rate and easily outnumber pain pill deaths. But there is no way our Gov't leaders, news media, etc... will even touch this because hell....most of them are drunks. Read this
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/1593347002/

The bottom line is that an Opiate is the only medicine that reliefs chronic pain effectively. Always has and always will. Since the beginning of time the poppy plant has been used for pain relief and not until the mid 20th century have we decided to outlaw the use. Of course this is because of our propensity to drift toward socialism where we as a society burden the financial responsibility of EVERYONE and assume the care of those people who abuse substances. As a result we now feel the need to have the Gov't step in which of course is a major clusterf%^k and is only hurting those who really need the medication.

fake news? yet this doctor prescribed 1.6 billion pain pills in just 2 years? you can stick your head in the sand all you want, pill mills are very real and very profitable right up until they shut you down!
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I am in a pain clinic right now. I had to sign my life away just for an evaluation. I am aiming for a cortisone injection not an opiate. All they ever gave me was oxycodone which is worthless
It's not hype if you read the stories about the quantity of pills being distributed in Podunk places.

I have arthritis in both shoulders. There have been times when I couldn't even sleep and asked my GP for a prescription. He gave me one for 4x a day for 4 months. WTF? If I did that I would have ended up a junky. I used them only when needed. That prescription lasted me several years.But now my GP no longer prescribes pain meds because of the hoops he had to jump through.
Eventually I had to go to a pain clinic. There it's not easy to get a prescription and the prescription cannot be renewed without another appointment. Have to submit to a urine test before leaving. When you go to the pharmacy you have to show your driver's license. I get 1/4 the supply my GP use to prescribe. I only used them when needed and cut the pills in half. It helps me sleep but I feel like shit the next morning.

I suppose the pill mills freely give out the meds and scrips and that's the problem.

r.waddill: The Cortisone shot may help but it will only be temporally. Hope you get the relief you need.
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Not exactly.... 30mg Roxy's bring from $30-40 each. Take your average person on social security or disability and the common scrip amount of 120-180 pills per month and now grandma is bringing in an extra $3600-$5400 a month. That motivates many people to do things they would otherwise never do.
He's right you know .

I have a brother that is currently a guest of the state, due to his pain pill antics. I have seen the networks of "disabled and on SS benefits" getting free government pain pills, then reselling then for $4-6000 a month. He ran several of those networks, to finance his own habits. And the thing is, EVERYONE IN THE THING KNOWS, from the doctors, to the pharmacist, to the people using and selling. What I hate the most is that that we the taxpayers are paying for all of it, then it pisses me off when I can't even get a Vicodin from the doctors after minor surgeries.

Screw them I say, all of them. De-classify the stuff and sell it over the counter, just like in half of the rest of the world. Addicts going to addict, you aren't stopping them with laws, they will quit being addicts when they either hit bottom and decide to get better, or they die from their addictions. If you can't manage your pain problems or pill problems, more laws aren't going to fix it either, meanwhile can we just get government out of our lives and to stop making choices for us?
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He's right you know .

I have a brother that is currently a guest of the state, due to his pain pill antics. I have seen the networks of "disabled and on SS benefits" getting free government pain pills, then reselling then for $4-6000 a month. He ran several of those networks, to finance his own habits. And the thing is, EVERYONE IN THE THING KNOWS, from the doctors, to the pharmacist, to the people using and selling. What I hate the most is that that we the taxpayers are paying for all of it, then it pisses me off when I can't even get a Vicodin from the doctors after minor surgeries.

Screw them I say, all of them. De-classify the stuff and sell it over the counter, just like in half of the rest of the world. Addicts going to addict, you aren't stopping them with laws, they will quit being addicts when they either hit bottom and decide to get better, or they die from their addictions. If you can't manage your pain problems or pill problems, more laws aren't going to fix it either, meanwhile can we just get government out of our lives and to stop making choices for us?
for the providers, its easy and usually cash money!
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^^^^Exactly wut Booshay said, we need to let Darwin work^^^^


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I know Florida used to be the "Pill Mill Capital" of the country, I remember seeing 10+ people lined up in front of these places first thing in the morning. People sleeping in their cars outside waiting for them to open so they could get their "meds", people also drove/flew down from the Appalachians to pick up meds & take back home because it was easier to get prescriptions in Florida. I really thought law enforcement cracked down and closed up all of these places years ago, it is disappointing to hear this is still going on, I lost a cousin to it last year.

They did. But like roaches, kill one and 4 more come out from a different hole. In Florida, at one point in time, Jacksonville was the pill capital then it moved to S. Florida and more recently moved to Atlanta. I occasionally get information from an organization that specifically targets this issue(and the issue surrounding synthetic opiate addiction, laws and distribution) and I have not gotten this info in approx a year so pill capital could have moved out of Atlanta by now.
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