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Old 02-18-2019, 12:53 AM
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How do you tell whatís whatís mud and whatís sand? I always heard if you find a muddy bottom youíll find tilefish.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:27 AM
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How do you tell whatís whatís mud and whatís sand? I always heard if you find a muddy bottom youíll find tilefish.
One way is with your sinker. You will feel it get stuck into the mud when it hits bottom. I have just upgraded my transducer from a B164 to the pair of 264's. I am hoping that this will help me learn the look of different bottom compositions. Maybe someone has a picture of their sounder over muddy bottom?

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Old 02-18-2019, 06:29 AM
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Look at the 2:30 mark on this video for how subtle a sword bite can be. Watch the rhythm of the rod tip.

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Old 02-18-2019, 06:32 AM
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I was able to go on a commercial trip with a friend... was a lot of fun and I now have the electric reels to do it this year as well. I am looking forward to May getting here! This should be a very interesting thread.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:53 AM
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Xfernal, here is an article about the Aussie breakaway method. I also have seen it on a video and I will see if I can find that, as it shows it better.

https://swordpro.com/daytime-dropping-broadbill/
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cummins28 View Post

How do you tell what’s what’s mud and what’s sand? I always heard if you find a muddy bottom you’ll find tilefish.
Sand should give a harder return on your bottom machine. Mud will absorb more of the signal and give you a softer return. Hard returns are normally a brighter color or thinner line on most bottom machines. While soft bottoms are a darker color or thicker line.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:24 AM
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Sand should give a harder return on your bottom machine. Mud will absorb more of the signal and give you a softer return. Hard returns are normally a brighter color or thinner line on most bottom machines. While soft bottoms are a darker color or thicker line.
Does anyone have a screen shot of their sounder over mud bottom ? Vs hard bottom ?
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Does anyone have a screen shot of their sounder over mud bottom ? Vs hard bottom ?
youtube it. lots of videos out there about how to read your sonar.
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I cheat ...the furuno 588 gives you your most probable bottom.......

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hmm.. I need a Furuno and new transducer.
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Xfernal, I'll be danged if I can find that video that shows him rigging with that method. It was an Aussie or NZ fisherman and he was leaving his weight tied onto his bait while he fished. If I am remembering correctly, he was using about a 10 lb weight with 20 feet of 20lb test. The idea was to have some extra strength in the line to pull your weight out of the mud and then to reel it up the 100 feet from the bottom with the weight still hanging. When the sword whacks it, the weight falls away.

I really like the idea of being able to drop straight down, instead of the Florida method. I think this would allow for more drops per day. And, with the heavy weight staying on the line, I think I am more likely to keep the bait in the 100 foot zone more accurately. I wish I had a source to get some 2 foot lengths of 1-1/2 inch re-bar. That should drop down like a bullet.

I am going to try it this year and see how many ways I can find to screw it up!
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I have a Fcv-587 and B-164 and at those depths the bottom for the most part looks the same. I donít have the bottom discrimination transducer so I canít use that feature.
Anyways carry on.
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:33 PM
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One way is with your sinker. You will feel it get stuck into the mud when it hits bottom.
This is totally correct and the reason why i wrote that the sinkers weight, the rod's action and line diameter and stiffness/elasticity need to be perfectly in harmony.
I always prefered parabolic rods over stiff rods with a sensible tip as parabolic rods with a heavier weight show better the movement than a sensible tip rod with less weight.

If you are "deep-dropping between 300-600 ft then a normal depth sounder will show you the difference between soft mud and hard sand or rock,
if you fish deeper (600-1500 ft) reading the fish finders bottom line becomes more hard and then the rod tip becomes be your indicator.

the rod tip bends oscillates softly up and down together with the wave movement then your sinker is supended
the rod tip beds down but snaps up then the sinker is touching the seabed
The speed of how fast the rod tip snap up will indicate how hard the bottom is
the rod tip start to move erratic then you probably have several, violent fishes attached
the rod tip bends slowly downwards or don't move than it's either a grouper or another suspicious fish (or you caught the famous and most hated "rock fish")

My suggestions and experience is based on deep 900-1500 ft deep bottom fishing, not suspended fishing for sword fish as in the video

Another to me important thing:
Please limit your catches of any groupers to not more than one a day, (deep sea) groupers like the Atlantic wreckfish( Polyprion americanus ) is a species who having troubles to reproduce as
males and females live in different depths and they undergo a sexual transformation from male to female.
For this reason the don't have a lot of time to reproduce and this makes them vulnerable to overfishing, so they got inserted in the red list of endangered species


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We do pretty good on the Bluelines when we fish for them. We fish muddy points in 300-400 ft of water that jet out into deeper water. We hand crank for Bluelines with Trinidad 30n reels and metered braid. I like the narrow spool for deep dropping and the faster retrieve of the Trinidads. Any deeper water we use electrics. There are some strange creatures in the deep!!










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Here is a few of my last catchs, the wreck fish came as a surprise.


Beautiful catch!
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In my experience, bluelines like rocky areas. Y'all are catching them over mud?
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Originally Posted by schoolsout1 View Post
In my experience, bluelines like rocky areas. Y'all are catching them over mud?
Same here. Iíve caught a few small blueline while fishing for snapper over rocky bottom. Iím still waiting on my first golden.
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There might be a few at the base of the rocks but the big groups at least north of Hatteras seem to hold and burrow on muddy bottom. Bluelines burrowers and burrow in the soft muddy bottom. I think you will find other species of tiles more adapt to ledges and harder bottoms. We can usually limit out pretty quick on the Bluelines with a few drifts over a muddy bottom. Drifting for them seems to work the best. if there is no current just bump the boat in and out of gear for a 1-1.5 MPH drift. Your Goldens are going to be in deeper water.
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You guys that have questions about this deep dropping game need to contact Texasblue (blue action tackle). Been a friend of Doug's for a while and he has killed everything from the deep, from monster grouper to monster Golden's and has the experience with what rigs and techniques are used. Also to include on his kill list is some very nice swords. He is always willing to give information and lead you in the right direction of gear and technique.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mouse4x4 View Post
Now I have a question that is bottom specific, what are you looking for to catch wreckfish and snowies specifically. Depths, composition, structure
Wreckfish are mainly found around shipwrecks and vertical structures like ledges and rocks.I believe more are found in the 150-300 fathom range, but have heard as shallow as 100 fathoms and as deep as 400 fathoms.

Snowys are found on a variety of bottom, but rocky ledges are popular haunts, as well as shipwrecks and other structure. I have found them on muddy ledges, but usually better fish around rocks or deep wrecks. 100-150 fathoms ideal in my opinion. Can be found shallower, but are usually smaller, and have not caught one over 190 fathoms.

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Here is a few of my last catchs, the wreck fish came as a surprise.
Great haul!
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