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Old 02-13-2019, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by xfernal View Post
38# is a nice one! I like how the Goldens put up a fight nearly all the way to the top, especially the bigger ones.

I caught my first Wreckfish last year offshore of the 030 Wreck while looking for Goldens. I thought it was a deep Snowy at first, but with more fight.

I'd rather troll for billfish than deep drop most days as well, but if the bite is slow and you are already deep, why not? You are right, there are very few days that are conducive to deep dropping. It is a lot of work and time, but the electrics help. I don't think I have done more than 3 drops in a day using manual reels in 300+ fathoms while looking for swords. It will wear you out bringing 10+ pounds of weight to the top on a 80 wide in high gear.
Wreckfish is a cool fish to catch...Its expensive to set up properly to deep drop a lot. I do have some glow in the dark heavy jigs if the currents right Iíll drop down if Iím out there and they work pretty good. Like you said about 3 drops and Iíve had my fill. There is some good bottom to the south out of Hatteras around 40fathoms that Iíve caught some really nice triggerfish on. At times they are in there pretty good, triple rigs with 2 or 3 2-3lb triggers is a lot of fun.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:44 AM
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Made it back down to Hatteras in time for the rain and wind this week. Hope to get out there late next week. Here is a picture of the rigs I make for deep dropping.


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Old 02-16-2019, 09:37 AM
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Exfernal, as you know, I've been chasing swords out of Oregon Inlet. One of the advantages up here is that we can often find good bottom where there is less current. I have been bit several times, and hooked up for about 30 seconds one time. But, still no sword....yet.

One thing that I have been really digging into is how to locate the best conditions for the shortfin and longfin squid that inhabit our areas. There's tons of research papers on line but I can't seem to find definitive information on what to look for in surface vs. subsurface temps. I know mid 50's is best, but at what depths? I subscribe to supermaps and can get the temps down to 600 feet but what other conditions do I want to align on top of those temps? I think squid are the key to swords most of the time. For now, I try to find good temps and then watch for pilot whales.

Regarding other bottom critters, I have not tried the super deep ones yet. I've caught a bunch of bluelines but only in waters out to around 400 feet.

One other note- It is none of my business what everyone else chooses to do, as long as it is legal. As for me, I try to be careful on how much I take. Lots of these deep critters can be pretty slow growing and reproducing, unlike swords. So I try not to clean out a spot.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:21 PM
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I have no experience with this stuff but I remember watching an episode of Into the blue where they were sword fishing. These guys are both very good charter captains and of course no all the other captains as well. They used a rig that had a ball bearing swivel And Bonita strips. They swore by it. Every episode they catch Bonita they always keep them for sword bait.
Here is the link. They use a small dolphin in it.

https://intothebluefishing.com/blog/...swordfish-bait
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:10 PM
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One point for discussion.

I have tried two different methods for swords. The Florida method where the weight stays on the main line via a longline clip, and the "breakaway" concrete weight method where you drop it down and get the weight to drop off.

I saw an interesting 3rd alternative from Australia. With this method, they drop the bait down with a heavy concrete or re-bar weight tied to the bait with 10 to 20 feet of mono. This allows it to hang well below the bait and out of the way. They do not break it off. It stays on and keeps the bait in the strike zone. When a swordfish comes up and whacks the bait, the mono to the weight is cut and the weight falls away. Hopefully, the fish returns and eats the bait. I think an advantage to this method is that the bait will instantly look different after the weight is gone and it will start to float limply, just as a dead prey would. I think a disadvantage to this method is that it doesn't allow you to let the heavy weight force the fish towards the surface as RJ Boyle does in his videos.


Any thoughts or experiences with these ideas?
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Old 02-16-2019, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xfernal View Post
Exactly! Bluelines are good, but the Goldens are definitely my favorite. I think they taste better than the Snowys and that was my favorite fish for a long time.
same here Goldenís are excellent and I cook everything. Filet the fish, cut out the cheeks, cut off the tail and head then take the carcass where you filleted butter, old bay grill it itís amazing how much meat is in there. I do the carcass like this fo wahoo as well.
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Old 02-17-2019, 02:38 PM
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Just curious what size and style hooks do you prefer for triggerfish?
Just started deep dropping last year and have found it to be a nice backup plan for slow trolling days. I did ok especially sea bass but only the occasional trigger, one thing I know for sure is my hooks were to big for triggers.
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cummins28 View Post
Just curious what size and style hooks do you prefer for triggerfish?
Just started deep dropping last year and have found it to be a nice backup plan for slow trolling days. I did ok especially sea bass but only the occasional trigger, one thing I know for sure is my hooks were to big for triggers.
Someone will come along with a specific hook suggestion. Hooks sizes and names are so whacky from different manufactures that I can never remember the exact style names and sizes. But, I would say that the hook I use when triggers are around is no bigger than a dime. I've done well on triggers on some of the artificial reefs out of OI. I've been hoping to find out if they are there during the winter but have been unable to get out due to weather and schedule problems.


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Question - Has anybody tried out of OI for black seabass in this February season?
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Fred View Post
Someone will come along with a specific hook suggestion. Hooks sizes and names are so whacky from different manufactures that I can never remember the exact style names and sizes. But, I would say that the hook I use when triggers are around is no bigger than a dime. I've done well on triggers on some of the artificial reefs out of OI. I've been hoping to find out if they are there during the winter but have been unable to get out due to weather and schedule problems.
I bought these today. I agree about hooks sizes and brand. I picked these up because I liked the size and how beefy they are, then noticed the tag says for live baiting. I say damn the difference. But I am curious as to what most people use.

I did pretty good this time last year around the 102 on BSB, havenít been this year.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:11 PM
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Fred View Post
Question - Has anybody tried out of OI for black seabass in this February season?
Iím not sure whatís happening up your way but the BSBs are on fire down here in SC. Weíve done well in January and this month. Lots of triggers and a few big vermillion snappers as well. Also, many of the highly rare and endangered ARS which are all returned as safely and quickly as possible. We fish out of Edisto.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Fred View Post
One thing that I have been really digging into is how to locate the best conditions for the shortfin and longfin squid that inhabit our areas. There's tons of research papers on line but I can't seem to find definitive information on what to look for in surface vs. subsurface temps. I know mid 50's is best, but at what depths? I subscribe to supermaps and can get the temps down to 600 feet but what other conditions do I want to align on top of those temps? I think squid are the key to swords most of the time. For now, I try to find good temps and then watch for pilot whales.
The Longfin Inshore Squid spends most of it's time in "inshore" waters. During the winter, they are out deeper closer to the continental shelf. However, I do not think they are typically found in the depths that swordfish are found. I have caught them around the marina in late November and December when the water temp is in the mid-50's as you suggest. They were thick this year during King Mackerel season with a some of the Kings stomachs full of them on several days. I have seen what I believe is the shortfin squid on the surface out deep at night attracted to the lights around the boat. I suspect that is the species that Swordfish are targeting, but I am not sure.

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One other note- It is none of my business what everyone else chooses to do, as long as it is legal. As for me, I try to be careful on how much I take. Lots of these deep critters can be pretty slow growing and reproducing, unlike swords. So I try not to clean out a spot.
Yes, this is true. Golden Tiles are a good example of slow reproducing species. From what I have read, they do not reach sexual maturity to the age of 6-8 years of age, and may live up 25-35 years of age.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Fred View Post
One point for discussion.

I have tried two different methods for swords. The Florida method where the weight stays on the main line via a longline clip, and the "breakaway" concrete weight method where you drop it down and get the weight to drop off.

I saw an interesting 3rd alternative from Australia. With this method, they drop the bait down with a heavy concrete or re-bar weight tied to the bait with 10 to 20 feet of mono. This allows it to hang well below the bait and out of the way. They do not break it off. It stays on and keeps the bait in the strike zone. When a swordfish comes up and whacks the bait, the mono to the weight is cut and the weight falls away. Hopefully, the fish returns and eats the bait. I think an advantage to this method is that the bait will instantly look different after the weight is gone and it will start to float limply, just as a dead prey would. I think a disadvantage to this method is that it doesn't allow you to let the heavy weight force the fish towards the surface as RJ Boyle does in his videos.


Any thoughts or experiences with these ideas?
Never heard of the Australian method. Any links you can provide?
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Originally Posted by cummins28 View Post
Just curious what size and style hooks do you prefer for triggerfish?
Just started deep dropping last year and have found it to be a nice backup plan for slow trolling days. I did ok especially sea bass but only the occasional trigger, one thing I know for sure is my hooks were to big for triggers.
1/0 or 2/0 is what I prefer for Triggerfish.

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Question - Has anybody tried out of OI for black seabass in this February season?
I believe BSB is closed north of the 400 line above the Diamond Shoals Tower. Or was last week anyway. Caught these below the line last week.



Triggerfish and BSB are in shallow water compared to what we are talking about. I would rather keep this thread about deep drops that are greater than 100 fathoms (600+ feet), excluding triggers, beeliners, BSB, and such.

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Originally Posted by xfernal View Post
1/0 or 2/0 is what I prefer for Triggerfish.



I believe BSB is closed north of the 400 line above the Diamond Shoals Tower. Or was last week anyway. Caught these below the line last week.



Triggerfish and BSB are in shallow water compared to what we are talking about. I would rather keep this thread about deep drops that are greater than 100 fathoms (600+ feet), excluding triggers, beeliners, BSB, and such.
Hey no problem, Iím also interested in the deeper drops. I want a grouper badly. Thanks on the hook size.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:27 PM
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For those looking to buy rigs, Doug makes some awesome rigs for all deep dropping species. Handle here on the forum ĒTexasblueĒ
DEEP DROP RIGS - Glow SQUID or CRIMP SLEEVE - FREE LIGHT
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https://www.blueactiontackle.com/
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X2 for blue action tackle he makes some great rigs for great prices (Texasblue)
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:38 PM
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Now I have a question that is bottom specific, what are you looking for to catch wreckfish and snowies specifically. Depths, composition, structure
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Here is a few of my last catchs, the wreck fish came as a surprise.


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