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Old 02-12-2019, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by alexh86 View Post
Subscribed. If anyone has any questions about rigs/rigging, I would be happy to share what I know.
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I like your rigs. Some of them are very similar to how I started rigging mine. Your prices are good as well. Anyone that has tied a 5 drop rig similar to what you are offering, with the amount of hardware and time it takes to produce just 1, will understand what I mean. I've seen them a lot more expensive than what you are offering as well.

Personally, I prefer the combination of the glow in dark chafe tubing, and glow in the dark squids for my Golden Tile rigs. This year I am using Squidnation Fat Daddy squid bodies. They are the best glow in the dark ones I have found and run in the 5 inch size.



I am very particular on the hooks I use. I like circle hooks that do not lose too much space between the shank and the point/barb. The picture below is a Mustad 39950NP-BN in 14./0 size and 3x strong.


I'm back in Raleigh till the winds die down, but will try to get a picture of my rigs later this week.

Last year we had a day where we caught 3 tiles that were gutted and weighed between 45-48 pounds. All 3 were possibly a new state record if it had not been on bandit reels and a commercial boat.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ccat View Post
I've caught a 38lb Golden off Hatteras, some nice snowy's, 1-wreckfish and several of the black belliy rosefish, but its just something I have a hard time doing. I enjoy hearing the outrigger clips pop more. Anything caught deep is a lot of time and work plus the current has to be just right to do it.
38# is a nice one! I like how the Goldens put up a fight nearly all the way to the top, especially the bigger ones.

I caught my first Wreckfish last year offshore of the 030 Wreck while looking for Goldens. I thought it was a deep Snowy at first, but with more fight.

I'd rather troll for billfish than deep drop most days as well, but if the bite is slow and you are already deep, why not? You are right, there are very few days that are conducive to deep dropping. It is a lot of work and time, but the electrics help. I don't think I have done more than 3 drops in a day using manual reels in 300+ fathoms while looking for swords. It will wear you out bringing 10+ pounds of weight to the top on a 80 wide in high gear.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by xfernal View Post
I like your rigs. Some of them are very similar to how I started rigging mine. Your prices are good as well. Anyone that has tied a 5 drop rig similar to what you are offering, with the amount of hardware and time it takes to produce just 1, will understand what I mean. I've seen them a lot more expensive than what you are offering as well.

Personally, I prefer the combination of the glow in dark chafe tubing, and glow in the dark squids for my Golden Tile rigs. This year I am using Squidnation Fat Daddy squid bodies. They are the best glow in the dark ones I have found and run in the 5 inch size.



I am very particular on the hooks I use. I like circle hooks that do not lose too much space between the shank and the point/barb. The picture below is a Mustad 39950NP-BN in 14./0 size and 3x strong.


I'm back in Raleigh till the winds die down, but will try to get a picture of my rigs later this week.

Last year we had a day where we caught 3 tiles that were gutted and weighed between 45-48 pounds. All 3 were possibly a new state record if it had not been on bandit reels and a commercial boat.

I appreciate the kind words. I’ve looked at bringing in a larger squid like the style you have. A lot of halibut fisherman prefer that style squid. The overall profile of the rig starts to affect the overall amount of weight needed, which is why I lean toward the squid or glow sleeve. All of this is a moot point if you use electrics.

There are some guaranteed state/world record fish down there. I can only imagine how many commercial boats have broken those records over the years.

I would stock up on those hooks if you can. I know mustad has discontinued a few of those style hooks.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:10 AM
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Anyone care to provide a golden tile fish 101 type overview?
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Hell Squid, I'd sub to that!
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:33 PM
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Caught some Sand Tile last year for the first time. Possibly the worst fish I have ever eaten.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Squid Row View Post
Anyone care to provide a golden tile fish 101 type overview?
I have caught only 18 Goldens so far. So, I am by far no expert, but have learned a lot from one of the best commercial guys in Hatteras.

150-250 fathoms on muddy humps and ledges for the big ones. You can find them shallower, but the nicer ones are deeper. Shallowest I have caught one was in 134 fathoms, and it was smallish in the 15-20# range. I am sure others have found them shallower, but they do not seem to be thick until 150+ fathoms. Heard some guys in the GoM have found them as deep as 300 fathoms and they were all big. I have yet to find one that deep, but don't have the sonar/transducer to see ledges/bottom much past 200 fathoms and have to rely on the chart, but I feel an 3kw transducer upgrade will be in order during the next boat yard visit.

Tilefish pretty much live in holes that have been dug out of the muddy ledges/humps. I have heard the big Goldens have a "room" in the back of the hole as much as 6 feet wide, with the entrance not much bigger than their diameter. Usually there are only 1 male and/or female for each hole. They do seem to live in clusters to some degree. I have seen them on video through a NOAA submersible with just their heads poking out of the holes, waiting for something to float/swim by to eat.

I use a 5 drop rig most of the time, but for the Goldens, they are usually caught on the bottom 3 drops. My rigs are very similar to alexh86's rigs here : https://www.endgametackle.com/collec...n-tilefish-rig
Main difference between mine are inclusion of chafe tube on the drop lines, shrink tubes on the hook to the drop line under the squid body, and shrink tubes covering the swivel to the drop line to make them stand out straighter and away from the main line.

I love using strips of the big Peruvian squid wings for bait. Less sharks to deal with than using Albert/False Albacore strips, and they stay on the hook longer than the squid you find in most stores.

For dropping, you gotta figure out the drift over your target area, no different than drifting in shallow water, only you have to compensate for current and a lot more depth. I'd say most of the time I am close to a 1/8th mile (2-3 football fields) or more away when I drop, to get the bait down before the ledge and fish. The more current, the bigger weight required to get it down fast, and/or the further you have to be from your mark/target.

I'm sure others do it differently, but once I hit bottom, I keep the line in my hands at all times, with only enough drag on the line to keep the reel from completely free spooling. I use cut-proof fillet gloves to hold the braid line in one hand while using the other hand to make sure there is enough slack coming off the spool to touch bottom. I am constantly keeping the line tight in my hand and on bottom, and every 10-15 seconds or so, I jig the line up and off the bottom, before letting it drop again. If you are in a good area, you should be able to feel the weight getting pulled out of the thick mud . You should be trying to drag that weight just along the bottom. Keeping the line tight, you will feel the bite. We are not talking about a little nibble from the prolific Rose fish. but a solid tug almost yanking the line out of your hand. As soon as you feel it, you have to get them up and away from that hole, no different than you would a grouper trying to get you rocked up. We call it "holed up".

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This was a commercial snowy trip last year about this time I had , 4 fish and we had our 200 lbs limit. We where in 148-150 fathoms North of the Big Rock.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:46 PM
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This was a commercial snowy trip last year about this time I had , 4 fish and we had our 200 lbs limit. We where in 148-150 fathoms North of the Big Rock.
Wow! Those are some studs!
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:57 PM
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There are two sub families of Tile fish. The sand tile's are the in Malacanthinae sub family. Long slender bodies and usually caught inside 150' or so and not considered that great eating of a fish, some like them others don't. You'll usually pick them up when your bottom fishing for triggers and BSB's or Beeliner's. The Latilinae sub family would have the Blueline's and Golden's in it and as typically be caught in much much deeper water. Haven't eaten any Golden's yet but I have had Blueline's a couple times and it was excellent. We are going to give it whirl and deep drop out of Hatteras a a few times this summer to see what happens. Boat is just sitting there waiting for me to show up
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wahoo yahoo View Post
There are two sub families of Tile fish. The sand tile's are the in Malacanthinae sub family. Long slender bodies and usually caught inside 150' or so and not considered that great eating of a fish. You'll usually pick them up when your bottom fishing for triggers and BSB's or Beeliner's. The Latilinae sub family would have the Blueline's and Golden's in it and as typically be caught in much much deeper water. Haven't eaten any Golden's yet but I have had Blueline's a couple times and it was excellent. We are going to give it whirl and deep drop out of Hatteras a a few times this summer to see what happens.
Exactly! Bluelines are good, but the Goldens are definitely my favorite. I think they taste better than the Snowys and that was my favorite fish for a long time.
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Don't worry Xfernal, I hope to be seeing you soon and picking your brain a bit
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Great thread, I'm doing a repower on my boat right now, looking forward to trying my luck early spring weather permitting. Been tying rigs in different sizes .... Caught a few tiles in the past, actually had 2 sands one trip that would have been well over the state record easily probably in the 8+ lb range ...but not knowing that one of my fishing buddies ate um! He said they were good... but we were closer in when we got the sands...



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Don't worry Xfernal, I hope to be seeing you soon and picking your brain a bit
Anytime. I think since the last time we talked we bought a place in Hatteras. The wife finally gave up on me spending much time in Raleigh and decided if she wanted to see me, she needed a place down there.

Anway. looking forward to it.
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I hear ya and completely understand. It is hard to leave fish in shallow to go hunt them in the deep, but luckily off Hatteras it isn't a far run from shallow to real damn deep.

What do you have the Airmar hooked up to?

Only heard of 1 Queen south of Hatteras and north of Lookout/MHC, and he could have been lost or a long way from home. I suspect there may be more south of MHC and into SC, but maybe someone can chime in to tell us. Would love to catch one and hear they are tasty as well.
Airmar is hooked into a GSD 26 which runs to my 7612XSV. I honestly don't use it to its fullest capabilities because I've not really had anyone on the boat to teach me. Learn as you go pretty much.
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I have caught a few sand tiles in about 100 feet of water, I thought they were excellent on the table.

Grew up watching the boats come in with huge goldens and have always wanted to catch one since
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I am in!! Have done some deep drops for Swords and quite a bit of Tile fishing out of OI.
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Can't wait to do some dropping off of our own boat this year. This a pic of the best one we got so far off a friends boat out of Hatteras. Really got me interested, hope we have some luck!
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All these pictures of Snowys ya'll are posting has me day dreaming about them opening up again in May. Can't wait.


48# Snowy caught in 130 fathoms. You can see my cheap PVC weight in the bottom right of this picture. I think that is the 12# one. PVC doesn't scratch the boat like lead or iron sash weights either.


These are my biggest 2 on a commercial trip.

Can't wait to fish for them again soon.
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Why do we do this to ourselves. Those are some beauties Xfernal , spring cannot get here fast enough. Now its back to skiff shopping to pass the time in between buying more tackle
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