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Old 02-08-2019, 05:52 PM
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Think I read there is a meeting this month where they are going to set the creel and size limits for 2019 NC flounder. Anybody know when this is going to occur? We have a group that goes floundering every June. Holding off on booking a place to stay until they announce. Hope they don't get crazy with the changes. Just interested in the dates the regs will be announced, not looking to debate.
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:33 PM
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I think the meeting is on 2/13 but I don’t know if they are for sure going to make any decisions. Just have to wait and find out I guess. Latest speculation I heard was reduction to 1, maybe 2 per day for Recs....
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:46 PM
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I heard from the man on the table is close Rec for the 2019.
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:47 AM
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Southern Flounder AC meets next Wednesday (13th) in Liitle Washington to discuss recommendations for catch reductions that will end overfishing and build a sustainable fishery within ten years. Those recommendations will be presented to the MFC at the Feb 20-22 meeting in Williamston for a possible vote that will be effective for the 2019 season.




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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
Southern Flounder AC meets next Wednesday (13th) in Liitle Washington to discuss recommendations for catch reductions that will end overfishing and build a sustainable fishery within ten years. Those recommendations will be presented to the MFC at the Feb 20-22 meeting in Williamston for a possible vote that will be effective for the 2019 season.
Well we all know that won't happen as long as the Coms are allowed to rape the fish stocks the way they do with gill nets, which won't end unless the Legislature is shown that the recreational fishing industry needs to be feared more than the pocketbooks of the commercial industry. I've personally seen a guy set out a gill net across a creek mouth, come back about 6 hours later and end up with roughly 100-120 puppy drum, that all went back into the water dead, without a single flounder to show for it. It is absolutely disgusting and it needs to end.
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:48 AM
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Gadget guy, you are right, comms. I think, will be allowed to continue to rape nc’s fisheries like always.
Mid there is any closures I’m sure it will be for rec. only. Oh well, no fun in catching tons of 15 inch fish when the limit is 16 inch. But you can buy baby flounder on the menu just up the street. Only choice is follow the regs. While the comms. Rape away or keep what you want to(as many have to do now) and be careful not to get caught.
The problem nobody recognizes are when you keep letting comms. Keep fish that are shorter than you allow recs. Eventually recs. Get fed up and say screw this and they keep “undersized” fish. Bad fishery management in nc carries on. Just watching the better go back in for all fall is nuts. There is no spot fishery and unless people find joy in catching baby croakers, rec. fishing as an economic draw in this state is quickly dying. Sure, kingfish tournaments bring a lot of economic juice but that fishery won’t be here much longer either the way it’s being raped. Good ol NC!
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Old 02-10-2019, 04:18 AM
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Yep, You boys keep peeing and moaning about how bad the flounder fishing is here in NC and guess what. The powers that be will make sure you will get more reductions. The gov loves to take it away but are extremely slow to give it back if at all. Makes their job much more easier with less fishermen to have to worry about.
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On the contrarily, Glenn, managing the hodgepodge of full-time, part-time, and no-time commercial fishermen in NC is
job assurance for the DMF. NC needs a professional industry, and a professional staff to manage it.
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:58 AM
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“MORE” reductions?
Ive never rolled over to ANY reductions....
I did reluctantly buy a saltwater fishing license finally though.
I don’t throw back flounder so you can net them and sell them though. Never have never will. I literally saw a sign on a restaurant sign that said Baby Flounder 9.99. Who would I choose to pay for a nasty cooked baby flounder in a restaurant when I can eat mine at home.
The inch or 3 in size limit between rec. and comm. is complete utter bs. If comms can keep a fish at 10” guess what? So can I. Make rules that are fair and make sense and people will follow them.
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post
“MORE” reductions?
Ive never rolled over to ANY reductions....
I did reluctantly buy a saltwater fishing license finally though.
I don’t throw back flounder so you can net them and sell them though. Never have never will. I literally saw a sign on a restaurant sign that said Baby Flounder 9.99. Who would I choose to pay for a nasty cooked baby flounder in a restaurant when I can eat mine at home.
The inch or 3 in size limit between rec. and comm. is complete utter bs. If comms can keep a fish at 10” guess what? So can I. Make rules that are fair and make sense and people will follow them.
you do know that both recs and commercials have the same size limits on southern flounder in NC ? Might be wrong but imagine those restaurants serving baby flounder are probably importing those fish
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Originally Posted by glacierbaze View Post
On the contrarily, Glenn, managing the hodgepodge of full-time, part-time, and no-time commercial fishermen in NC is
job assurance for the DMF. NC needs a professional industry, and a professional staff to manage it.

The primary reason the Feds back in the 90's tightened up on the snapper/grouper rules was to weed the small timers out which made their job much easier of course. NC may be doing the same from what it appears and that might include weeding out a lot of recs as well. Not a very hard to job to weed out un-desirables all you need to do is to make sure its a nightmare to keep up with the rules and regulations plus reducing the number of fish one can possess will work as well. Red drum has been recovered for years in NC but they keep raising the bar on the official definition of overfished just to justify them keeping the tough restrictions on this species.
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post
“MORE” reductions?
Ive never rolled over to ANY reductions....
I did reluctantly buy a saltwater fishing license finally though.
I don’t throw back flounder so you can net them and sell them though. Never have never will. I literally saw a sign on a restaurant sign that said Baby Flounder 9.99. Who would I choose to pay for a nasty cooked baby flounder in a restaurant when I can eat mine at home.
The inch or 3 in size limit between rec. and comm. is complete utter bs. If comms can keep a fish at 10” guess what? So can I. Make rules that are fair and make sense and people will follow them.
Sad part is there are plenty more recs like you who ignore regulations. Y'all hurt the fisheries just as much as the gillnets. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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plenty of big ones out there. Let em grown over 15” and then you’ll have more meat! As much as I hate to say it, I would be willing to take a hit on the gigging side to help out rod and reel anglers. Iv always thought it should be different. Don’t get me wrong, I love to stick fish, but I find myself not targeting flounder on rod and reel as much anymore and I think it’s due to it being more efficient to gig a flounder vs hook and line. Just being honest. Other night time addicts won’t agree but opinions are just that!
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Originally Posted by Tossedabout View Post
“MORE” reductions?
Ive never rolled over to ANY reductions....
I did reluctantly buy a saltwater fishing license finally though.
I don’t throw back flounder so you can net them and sell them though. Never have never will. I literally saw a sign on a restaurant sign that said Baby Flounder 9.99. Who would I choose to pay for a nasty cooked baby flounder in a restaurant when I can eat mine at home.
The inch or 3 in size limit between rec. and comm. is complete utter bs. If comms can keep a fish at 10” guess what? So can I. Make rules that are fair and make sense and people will follow them.
The baby flounder you are seeing on menus are almost certainly garbage imports.

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Old 02-11-2019, 10:02 AM
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...you're probably safe to book this year's trip as normal.

From this morning's email to the AC and Commission-
"These considerations relate to the multi-state stock assessment update based on data from North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. The division wants to be further along in the process of cooperative management with the other states before presenting the draft Amendment 2 recommendations to the commission."

So it looks like the Governor's office has put the brakes on management measures at the February MFC meeting.

The final stock report is clear. The stock has been declining since 2006. The stock is both overfished (100% certain) and that overfishing is occurring (96% certain).

The stock assessment-
https://1drv.ms/b/s!ArHvxdSx-xlqgietO3tSwo10WEmX

Division recommendation to end overfishing in two years and have a sustainable fishery in ten years-
https://1drv.ms/b/s!ArHvxdSx-xlqgiZFTX7O6I7PFjzt


...for the recreational sector see page 15 for Amendment 2 recommendations that will keep rec harvest at four fish for an August 16 - Sept 30 rec hook-and-line and gig fisheries. The RCGL gillnet fishery for recs will be Sept 15 - Sept 30.

...but again, the Governor appears to be slow-walking any actual management changes. It's possible it could be addressed at the May meeting. The August meeting will be too late, in my opinion, to implement the recommendations for 2019.

Given the quote above, the Division may be setting this whole mess up to be punted to the ASMFC, which will delay action probably for at least another two years if not three.













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Old 02-11-2019, 11:42 AM
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plenty of big ones out there. Let em grown over 15” and then you’ll have more meat! As much as I hate to say it, I would be willing to take a hit on the gigging side to help out rod and reel anglers. Iv always thought it should be different. Don’t get me wrong, I love to stick fish, but I find myself not targeting flounder on rod and reel as much anymore and I think it’s due to it being more efficient to gig a flounder vs hook and line. Just being honest. Other night time addicts won’t agree but opinions are just that!
Just wanted to point out that this is a good example of a nice SOUTHERN Flounder. While the rules and regulations are for "Flounder" in general, the issue with the stock is for the Southern Flounder. The Summer Flounder stock is in much better shape. We are being punished for the Southern Flounder stock because most people cannot tell the difference between the 2 species. Seems like the state should help educate fisherman to tell the difference between the 2 species. Put strict limits on Southern Flounder and let us keep catching the Summer Flounder. Just my opinion.
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I see your point. Definitely makes sense. I do get more summer than southern but it depends on what time of the year aswell.
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Thats a southern flounder in the above photo. A summer flounder has more of a rounder tail.
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
Thats a southern flounder in the above photo. A summer flounder has more of a rounder tail.
You are correct. And no ocellated spots.

The 3 indigenous species of Flounder found in our waters can be found here: CommonFlounderID.pdf
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Originally Posted by Wickedfisha View Post
I see your point. Definitely makes sense. I do get more summer than southern but it depends on what time of the year aswell.
That is surprising in our area.
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